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At the dawn of the new year, Pornhub will leave Florida. Thanks to a harsh new age verification law that takes effect on January 1, the porn giant will no longer do business in the sunshine state. The law mirrors similar laws passed in other Republican led states where Pornhub has stopped doing business.
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Headline is 10/10.
I mean, it kind of writes itself, but yeah. Sometimes the easy ones are, in fact, the best ones.
First time I heard it as a joke was from George Carlin discussing how wars are inherently phallocentric.
The subtitle is pretty good too.
It’s probably a good thing not to put your dick in anything from Florida.
The old rule of don’t put your dick in crazy
Usually comes from guys who have abused their exes and want to paint their exes as the crazy person.
True, but also crazy women do exist and can be a nightmare to live with.
True, additionally guys have holes too.
Just saying…
Very true.
Big if true
Speak for yourself
There’s crazy guys, too… (Sorry if that was your point)
True, but the saying isn’t ‘don’t fuck crazy’, and was originally used entirely as ‘(men) don’t stick your dick in crazy (women.)’
How does that change anything they said?
Or from guys who have dated crazy in the past, and now know to avoid it…
Don’t generalize.
Conservatives love losing freedoms.
While Pornhub pulling out of Florida (US) may not be the end of the !world@lemmy.world, the underlying trend of pornography criminalisation for “modesty” can easily translated into sexual control and control of sex.
As we all know by now, sexual control is gendered against women and queers, racialised, et al.
Control of sex on the other hand is well substrated in Anti-Choice or bodily autonomy-denying discourse as well as population control for classist, racist etc. motives.
Since when is Florida scared of sex? Since it hates minorities. (IMO)
It’s much broader than sex though:
Florida’s law is HB3. The law is broad. It requires a website that provides material that is “harmful to minors” to provide a means of “anonymous age verification” to its minors. What does it mean for material to be “harmful to minors?” According to the law any material that “the average person applying contemporary community standards would find, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest.”
I guarantee this will be used (or at least attempted) to silence political speech critical of local governments. It’s far too easy to come up with even the weakest justification for why something isn’t appropriate for children and Republicans have an army of useful idiots ready to parrot their rhetoric and convince everyone else who isn’t paying attention to what’s happening.
I guarantee this will be used (or at least attempted) to silence political speech critical of local governments.
Its real target is less pron, and more “So, you think you’re maybe gay? Here’s what you can do…” or “If your family hates queer people, and you’re queer, here’s help for you:…” information.
Anything to keep “teh gays” from “converting kids to trans”.
further, paradoxically, denying access to porn puts women in more danger. most porn consumers will probably just get a vpn and roll with it. but enough of them will translate their frustration into violence against women for it to be a problem. we know this because we’ve seen it before. sex work is degrading, dehumanizing, and exploitative, but banning it consistently makes it worse, not better, for the people most endangered by it.
further, paradoxically, denying access to porn puts women in more danger.
That’s… Part of the goal. Women “need to know their place” and all, per the GOP.
oh no i know. it’s just they always sell these policies to women who aren’t endangered by them by saying they’re meant to make women safer. it’s like saying “we’re going to make communities safer by criminalizing drugs.” to demographics who were never endangered in the first place it makes sense. to people who understand the interrelation between class and crime, it immediately raises risk flags. the best way to get people to stop selling drugs is to give them money to buy food another way. the best way to get people to stop doing drugs is to get them into a healthcare facility and address the issues the drugs dull. criminalization just makes engaging in these survival tactics more dangerous
people can dress it in whatever positive or negative light they want over the p*rn issue. the larger issue at hand IMO is that its the government stepping into people’s private lives and telling them how to live. “Your culture is immoral, you need to learn morals and modesty. you are being reprimanded for your immoral behaivor” These views are Considered Immoral by some but perfectly fine by others.
lets call it what it is, its the people who err on the bible thumping side of the fence, trying to enforce their views on the rest of the people.
I’m a supporter of more scrutiny in general when it comes to kids having access to stuff online, (A lot of stuff, not just 18+ things). but that’s obviously the avenue that the Morality Police are trying to take to go after society in general
I’m a supporter of more scrutiny in general when it comes to kids having access to stuff online, (A lot of stuff, not just 18+ things). but that’s obviously the avenue that the Morality Police are trying to take to go after society in general
The smokescreen of supposed enforcement of children’s rights is so thick, that the issue they say they try to address cannot be discussed even among the adult electorate.
Children cannot comprehend pornography, but so are the proponents of sexual control. Our current societies do not have adequate education of sexuality, even or especially for adults.
A theoretical child in a theoretical society, that has no concept of sexuality, a “pure” child so to speak, will be unfit as an adult for a sexually-controlled society, because it will very likely be unable to say no to coercion. Children and adults cannot resist coercive societies without education.
Pornography is a market with low elasticity. States banning markets essentially lose significant control over the exchanges. States already ban coercive pornography (not very good, but idealistically), but allow consensual pornography. Banning pornography altogether mingles coercive pornography with consensual pornography in black markets. Uneducated adults will not understand coercion in black markets of pornography.
Is “coercion pornography” rape or rape play? I assume you mean that once pornography is illegal well get the same results as the war on drugs; things that would generally be innocuous becoming tied to criminal activity.
Or they are laws to prevent children from seeing pornography.
Yeah, that might be a side effect.
Former child here. Children will figure out how to get access to anything they need. They’re not the target audience here. Or at least it won’t work that way, even if intended to.
Since this says “material that is ‘harmful to minors’” and not specifically pornography, it could also be used to silence dissenting opinions, etc. Reading anti-republican propaganda? Better be ready to show you ID for that…
There will now be over 115 million Americans affected by this growing ban. Now over one third of the population, yes a full 34.4%, will not be able to access pornhub in their state without using a VPN. And we all know they are coming for the VPN next.
And more importantly, these laws are written so broadly that these age verification laws can be applied to any website that the state government doesn’t like whether they host porn or not. CNN posts article about killings in Gaza? That’s not appropriate for children so ID needed. Left-wing forum that’s critical of the local Republican government? Well that’s not appropriate for children either so we’ll need to see the IDs of everyone that has ever visited the site.
I hope these laws get overturned sooner than later but I won’t hold my breath.
CNN posts article about killings in Gaza?
The only killings in Gaza CNN would post about is IDF and hostage deaths.
I literally thought the same thing while writing it, but still wanted to use a mainstream source as an example.
“Land of the free”
They should really look at changing their national anthem.
I don’t know how a nation with such a well known history of slavery got away with calling itself the “land of the free”.
If you were a white male who owned property. America was pretty free for you, everyone else can got fucked.
Wives and children are property right?
The real issue is that most people dont know how to use vpns. So they just go to sketchier websites.
They’re welcome to try, but I seriously doubt they will be successful
Yeah just about every company uses VPNs too.
Slippery slope is nonsense. We dont allow a bunch of other things for children, its not any different because the company would rather stop selling altogether then to adjust for regulations.
A lot of people here are acting like free access to any type of pornography is a net benefit for society as well, which I find strange.
It’s a privacy issue, not an age verification issue.
Republicans hate the free market
I mean, yeah, otherwise they’d want regulations that prevent it from being manipulated by individual rich people, but they have always been against anti-monopoly regulation and other protective regulations.
“Free market” doesn’t mean free from regulation, it means free from interference in the supply and demand of the product. But there’s still a need to prevent other forces from interfering with supply, including from those participating in the market. If a single company prevents any competition from entering the market, that is what’s not “free market”.
I have two reactions
- Oh no, anyway. VPNs exist
- This is scary, these Verification Laws are killing the internet even more painfully than the corporate takeover.
Feels like they are the same thing.
Not in FL, but in another GOP state that I’m sure will join the bandwagon eventually. I knew there was a reason I’ve been hoarding “data”.
I wonder if pornhub owns shares in a VPN company?
I wonder if GOP owns shares in a VPN company?
Right? There’s always a grift.
Florida isn’t even the first. Arkansas has already had the same basic effect.
PH stopped working in VA several months ago if not longer, and we weren’t the first.
thank god i don’t live in south boston, but instead boston. at least according to mullvad. ain’t no way i’m uploading my driver’s license to shit
The milf and step sister markets are about to take a hit
Pornhub should come out with their own vpn service as a fuck you to the gop. Because while they may not “service” certain states, I’d bet those citizens still use pornhub and other sites.
It’s good to be a VPN service these days. I bet business is up.
They can probably include it with PH Premium.
Don’t want them to ban vpns
Just curious, but how would that be enforced?
You could ban them from mainstream marketplaces. If you remove them from the apple store and play store, they’re gonna struggle, even if you still have F-Droid. If they ban hosting source code, maybe some federated git servers and maybe even gitlab will hold strong, but github will roll over like an obedient dog because it’s owned by Micro$oft. Some people will fight for it, but if VPNs lose 75% of their revenue, we will all suffer.
Banning VPN apps from any marketplace would literally shut down the economy. VPNs are for more than accessing porn.
I honestly don’t know enough about it but I’m sure there’s a way, maybe get isp’s to flag traffic going to known vpn servers and fine them if they connect users or something like that?
Why, is it impossible or difficult to enforce?
Why, is it impossible or difficult to enforce?
Not sure, that’s why I asked out of curiosity. But I would assume so; it’s very easy to get WireGuard setup on a Raspberry PI or just about any SBC. For example, you could setup a SBC with a usb WiFi adapter, travel to a state where VPNs aren’t banned, connect to public WiFi and with a little additional config (changing ports), you’re good to go.
If they did that themselves, then they would know when a user was trying to access their porn from Florida, defeating the benefit a vpn would provide.
They sort of did awhile ago with VPN hub. I haven’t heard about it in awhile though. I wonder if they’re trying to distance themselves from it
The Florida Oblast will turn into the f’n People’s Republic of China.
Good.
So crazy how floridians are able to get legislation like this passed, but can’t do anything to help their legions of hicks living in trailer parks.
It doesn’t even manage to block access to porn. For god’s sakes you’d have to block the entire Internet.
I probably shouldn’t say that or they’ll get ideas. It’s all performative.
Well many 10 year olds dont know how to find and use a vpn.
Younger me did not care about VPNs (which weren’t really a thing at the time), but I did care about finding porn. Most had some form of Adult Check or similar.
It did not stop me from finding porn elsewhere.
The legions of hicks love this kind of virtue signaling oppression and don’t mind that they’re stuck in a trailer park. Priorities.
Those legions of hicks see living in a trailer as a badge of honor when it comes to Republican policy even if it harms them. Contradictory to this, they also view it as the fault of Democrats, taxes, and regulations on businesses for why they’re in that situation. It’s pure cognitive dissonance but good luck convincing them of that.
They generally believe Democrats in office are bad for the economy, but they’ll be damned if they take government handouts and make the deficit worse.
Neither are very true, but they win elections.
Always pull out. Even if you’re wearing a condom. Even if she says she’s on the pill.
Should be the default strategy always! Small price to pay for piece of mind.
Yeah I dont know why I always get downvotes from folks saying to pull out. Its a good idea in addition to other birth control methods.
But it’s literally the penis-shaped state!
The penis is flaccid.
If its over 600 km flacid, Im afraid what it’s like hard!
They will just use XVideos.
