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EDIT: Sorry, I was warming up my voice.
EDIT 2: Astonished European noises
Every time I hear about American healthcare it makes me appreciate the NHS that little bit more.
In case people are missing the joke the reason is so that they can’t find you to bill you.
This doesn’t actually work quite like this, but it’s a funny joke none the less.
Especially if you’ve been to that hospital before. And if you have any medical records anywhere.
Oh, I was about to comment something like “wtf did you kill a doctor or something?”
That makes more sense.
If you have medical records, do they keep a DNA record of you?
If you don’t keep a record of yourself and don’t have any ID on yourself when you call, if you don’t give a name can they match your DNA or something?
Theoretically this is possible to do if you’ve avoided any documentation your entire life, or more likely, the hospital staff just dont care enough and forget to find out who you really are before letting you leave.
But realistically the hospital is going to have the cops come in and do a background check on you before even letting you get further care after lifesaving measures. And if you dont give up your information then your most likely getting ICE called on your ass…
none of that is going to happen. hospitals in america are required to provide care in emergencies, no matter if you have documentation or not. you’re not getting ICE called (no hospital is going to do that) and no cops are going to come in to do a background check (what would they check? you don’t have any ID, you’re not required to provide an ID, there’s no crime being committed).
hospitals in america are required to provide care in emergencies
Yes thats why I stated anything further then life saving procedures
Your not getting ICE called
While not called, ICE has arrested/deported hospital patients
you’re not required to privide an ID
Yes you are? At the very least you must provide contact information and who you are. Hospitals are looking to make money off of you lol, not paying is a crime
And when I slammed into a mountainside in my car the hospital I stayed at was very pissed I couldn’t remember my phone number (I just got a new one) and ran an entire background check on me
The only thing hospitals aren’t gonna do is share your medical information with 3rd parties due to HIPPA, they themselves are still gonna collect it tho
That assumes a person isn’t a Hispanic day laborer at a hospital during an ICE raid. ICE seems to be focusing on places of work for their targets, but with the current pause on the federal judge’s ruling, ICE can violate the fourth amendment anywhere.
ICE doesn’t need any ID to look at a person and make a judgement based on physical appearance.
In her dissent, Sotomayor argued that the Trump administration, “and now the concurrence” by Kavanaugh, “has all but declared that all Latinos, U.S. citizens or not, who work low wage jobs are fair game to be seized at any time, taken away from work, and held until they provide proof of their legal status to the agents’ satisfaction.”
In Sotomayor’s view, the Trump administration had not shown that it was ultimately likely to prevail on the merits. In particular, she wrote, “a set of facts cannot constitute reasonable suspicion if it ‘describes a very large category of presumably innocent’ people.” “Allowing the seizure,” she said, “of any Latino speaking Spanish at a car wash in Los Angles tramples the constitutional requirement that officers ‘must have a particularized and objective basis for suspecting the particular person stopped of criminal activity.’”
When I’m having a medical emergency at home, my first step is always to get into my car and drive at least 5 miles away.
You fool, driving your own car. You need to drive the car of someone unrelated to you.
Hell yeah, double emergency
Pretty sure the advice here is to just go anonymously suicide by cop. When you do that in GTA you wake up fully healed outside the hospital. Must work IRL too
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there have been several cases over the years of people plowing their car into the ER waiting room when the heat attack / stroke finally gets too severe.
See that’s how they track you
True but that won’t be me, I’ve had plenty of experience with medical emergencies and know how to handle myself.
I had to think about this for an embarrassingly long time before I realise this was America and they don’t have the NHS. In the UK you should absolutely provide your identity to the hospital, so it can go on your medical record.
Don’t be embarrassed homie. We should be embarrassed for not running the streets and fixing this shit already.
Out of pocket visit to the Dr, about $15-$20 Urgent care, $25 -$75 Emergency room, $100-$350
These are JUST FOR SHOWING UP AND HAVING INSURANCE, WHICH WE PAY $1000 MONTHLY. The rest of the bill is charged once you leave, mostly 50% of the remaining services.
Most people with work insurance are paying 40-50 percent, and their cost as an employee is calculated as their wages plus their benefits.
America is a dystopia. It’s perfectly capitalist.
I honestly believe Trump is here because we almost went to universal health care.
I honestly believe Trump is here because we almost went to universal health care.
Trump is here because you elected a reasonable black man (not even progressive , just reasonable, willing to comprimise etc) and the racists lost their fucking minds and went “I want the opposite, the guy that’s saying this guy came from kenya (lie)”.
The reality is that Trump is here because we thought we could play games. We thought we could demand perfection and were under the impression there was no way he would win again. He appealed to people because he speaks simply and the average person doesn’t think about these things.
And the racist fucks.
Trump does not ‘speak simply’. When he’s not rambling incoherently, he’s just bullying and abusing people. That’s apparently what Americans liked.
Whoa, when I said speaks simply, it was not a compliment.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-fire-and-fury-smart-genius-obama-774169
Maybe not now, but he was a bit more coherent in 2016. And by speaking simply, we mean he says things directly like “we’re going to solve all your problems!” It may be idiotic, it may never be a possibility, but he says ‘simple’ things that tell people what they want to hear.
Mono swelled my throat shut a while ago. Urgent care sent me to the ER. ER looked at my throat, said they can’t help Mono. It cost $780 and 6 hours to find out they can’t help me.
Those costs are bullshit. The cost of the ER used to be much less if you got a referral. Also, I bet most of that is lab work.
I once paid 2000 for some tums and a “sorry we can’t do anything”
Taxes pay more for healthcare per person in the US than the NHS. So taxpayers pay enough taxes for healthcare to get free healthcare, but then they have to pay a premium per month to get healthcare, but then they have to pay for more than the service cost in copays to pay for healthcare.
It is insane how americans are paying for triple or more for healthcare and getting none,
That is FAR too much for monthly insurance, you might want to shop around on marketplace instead of going private
My marketplace cost before assistance is about $1000 per person per month
I’m very sorry to hear that then
Well, the assistance makes it much more tolerable.
Why so they can censor your blood type?
This is probably a bot, but also potentially someone in psychosis doing their psychosis shit.
Does this even work? Will they even treat you or let you leave without ID?
They are legally required to stabilize you. That is to say, they they will not heal you, they’will not cure you. They get you stable enough to get you the fuck out of the door.
If you have cancer. They will not do shit.
If you have a broken bone. They will straighten it, if they can, no cast, and kick you r the fuck out. You will still have a broken bone, and you will still need surgery to heal it.
Been bounced before with broken bones. It sucked.
Yes they will treat you. But they will harass the shit out of you. I couldn’t properly identify myself or another victim after a critical accident and the other person almost lost their arm. I was failing all the other questions too (date, president, etc) but they wouldn’t stop asking like clockwork. It took hours to get an MRI and xray. I had two broken vertebrae in my upper back and severely concussed. They just kept giving the other passenger blood transfusions but refused to operate. They finally did a temp surgery on their arm but didn’t do a full surgery until after they were identified and it was confirmed they were well insured (union). It was a mess. Hospital and medical insurance took their entire settlement as payment for that shitty service too. We were struck by a drunk driver. Oh, and we both had stellar insurance (different unions but good insurance) and neither ambulance would take it. 5k for mine and I think theirs was more. And again, the whole settlement went to the insurance to pay the hospitals for that stellar bedside manner of letting me suffer for hours confused af and them almost die and lose their arm. Second surgeon was not happy. The other guy also was checked in as a John Doe at another hospital and they lost all of their teeth and most of their lower jaw. Also horrible delayed service. They care more about figuring out who you are so they know you’re “in network” than treating you.
theyre only required by law to stabilize you. youre not getting ‘cured’.
if you lose a finger for example, they don’t have to put it back on… only prevent you from bleeding out.
Stabilize for anyone unfamiliar is
Probably not going to die in the next 24 hours from easily identifiable injuries.
Because then they can become liable.
You can be very unhealthy with multiple broken bones, cancer, be dying softly and still be “stable”.
These days they’ll assume you’re mexican and deport you to sri lanka, untreated ofcourse
I wonder about that too. Perhaps if it is severe enough?
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Why? What benefit could I possibly have to keep my identity a secret in a hospital emergency? They need access to my NHS records so they know my medical history, blood type, current medications, etc.
They’d treat me regardless, but it would be very weird and suspicious if I didn’t identify myself. They might even call the police because of it, because who does that?
Americans.
Yes this is absolutely an American thing, if you can avoid it at the least don’t take the ambulance unless you want a $5000 bill
Take just a moment to appreciate how shite the US healthcare system is that this post is sound medical advice.
Help. The insurance company is inside the house.
You let your doctors know your blood type? What if they use that to find out who you are and bill you
This is counterproductive to my goals of having the most medical debt of any American to ever live and then die without paying. I’m playing for high score
Godspeed 🫡
Last year I had to be taken to the hospital for an emergency and stayed for three days.
This is how much I was billed:Even in the US this doesn’t seem like a good idea.
no visitors also means there’s no one to provide medical history or advocate for you if you become too sick to speak for yourself. So you do need at least one person who can be trusted to also uphold the same level of secrecy for your benefit. MUTUAL AID, PEOPLE. The community needs to resist.
Now that said all of this is gonna go fits up once they gut EMTALA and it becomes legal to hold off on CPR until they can rifle through your wallet for an insurance card.
Fuck that, I’ve paid good money for my medical insurance, the company can damn well start paying the hospital! I’ve got a lot more in common with the nurses, doctors, and support staff than I do with insurance parasites, I want them justly recompensed for their labor. Will the company try to renege on the contract by refusing as much coverage as they think they can get away with? That’s a lawsuit for another day, when I’m feeling better, and I’ll recruit the hospital administrators to my side.
My brother in Christ, are you assuming the hospital (and the pharmacy) isn’t also owned by the insurance company? And do you think that the profits will get passed on to the laborers?
Mine is not. UCLA exists for the benefit of UCLA, but fortunately that includes providing excellent medical care in order to keep their reputation as an outstanding teaching hospital.
My brother in Christ, are you assuming the hospital (and the pharmacy) isn’t also owned by the insurance company?
In most places they aren’t, and tbh its not always a bad thing when they are. The kaiser permanente model actually leads to better outcomes than in most hospital networks because it actually incentivizes preventative care.
It also gives them no incentive to try to control the cost of care or negotiate strongly on their customers’ behalf as an insurance company.
Right, but they aren’t just operating as an insurance company. They also own and operate the hospital, meaning there has to be a balance between the profitability of the hospital network weighted against the profitability of the insurance company.
In the end, it usually means that there isn’t a competition between the insurance and providers, rather two parties working together to manage cost while providing better service.
Which means it pays to provide preventative care, it pays to educate their patient population, and it pays to provide outcome based medicine.
Vertical integration of healthcare is a lot closer to something like universal care than what you usually see in america. It’s not perfect, but it’s usually better than the current norm.
It’s my understanding that vertical integration is the norm in the US, though. UnitedHealth bought something like 250 companies in 2024 alone. CVS owns Aetna, and MinuteClinic, and Caremark (a PBM), and multiple pharmacy chains, with the result being that they don’t care where in the value chain the money winds up, because it’s still in house at the end of the day. And they certainly aren’t going to fight the other parts of the conglomerate to get a better deal for patients, with the result being that there are no longer incentives (from competition) to cap costs, resulting in the US spending almost 20% of GDP on healthcare.
It’s not. UCLA exists for the benefit of UCLA, but fortunately that includes providing excellent medical care in order to keep their reputation as an outstanding teaching hospital.
“Show up as a ghost and leave as one.”
I’ve honestly wondered why i don’t hear more people doing this?
How would you hear about it if it “never happened”?
They forgot the most important rule…always pay in cash. They can trace your information through your insurance provider, so it’s best not to have any.
(edit…I guess I needed an /s, afterall.)
the intention is to not pay
