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    I tend to check social media much less than the average person, so this might be a really dumb question, but…

    Why is it a brick? Does it symbolize something? Is it tool? Or a weapon? Or just some form of art?

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      LGBT history, I believe - the Stonewall Riots were a pivotal event in LGBT awareness and fighting for their rights. As it was a, well, riot, bricks were used, as is common for people spontaneously deciding to fight the power - a sort of “We didn’t come here to brawl, but we’ll tear up the streets if you want to make it one” energy.

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    Actual bricks are rough and crumble a little bit occasionally, you’d probably want to coat that in some epoxy.

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    A lot of the gay elders i know are tired of history being changed when they were actually there. Unfortunately the biggest myth is that [Marsha P. Johnson] started the stonewall riot and kicked off the lgbt movement.

    But in fact she wasn’t even there when it started. She also referred to herself as a drag queen/transvestite… not trangender. Sylvia Rivera is the one who is trans not mpj.

    If anything it was likely a big butch lesbian who started it.


    There wasnt even a brick that started the riots. A lot was happening at once, but it most like started when cops began harassing Butch Lesbian Stormè DeLarverie and someone, no one is sure who, stepped in to her defense. Violence broke out and next thing we know, we have the stonewall riots. Maybe bricks were thrown with Molotovs, but no one can be credited with doing anything first except maybe DeLarverie asking for help.

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      Man i loved the middle.

      It was extremely relatable

      It reminded me a bit of surviving Jack, fortunately this one did lock more than one season

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    🥱 Brick

    ☺️ Brick with built-in sling for maximum control and power

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    It’s multipurpose, it celebrates pride, and it can be used to smack a fascist with if they get in your face about it <3

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      I don’t think violently hurting people is a good idea.

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        “Just turn the other cheek, be the bigger person, take the high road, and as long as you give everyone the benefit of the doubt good things will come to you”. All phrases used by abusers to manipulate people into taking abuse. After all if you keep being a good person and don’t retaliate you will be rewarded with an eternity of paradise and those who hurt will eternally suffer ::snickers with the collection plate::

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        Fascists only know one language, and that is violence. They firmly believe “Might makes right” and so, we must show them strength such that they fear to challenge us ever again.

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          I tell it to everybody, whether they are actively violent or not.

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            That’s a lovely sentiment, but in reality some people just need to be beaten violently. All you’re doing is putting that responsibility on someone else.

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              I don’t believe in justifying violence on humans or animals.

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                So if you were walking through the streets of Mariupol and saw a russian soldier violently raping a child (I use this example because it’s not uncommon) you’d, what, ask them nicely to stop, let them get on with it?

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        I agree, that’s why we need to violently harm those who would violently harm us, our loved ones and others like us and our loved ones.

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          That’s the greatest justification the government needed, do not complain when it is used against you

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          in fact, not punching a nazi when you have the opportunity is in itself a net negative, so we can say it’s immoral to not punch a nazi whenever possible.

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          Punching Nazis is always self defence, since being a Nazi in public is an act of violence.

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        I don’t think violently hurting people is a good idea.

        A lot of people forget, due to the exceptionally stable nature of modern Western society, that society is built on violence. We, as citizens of a polity, subcontract out our violence to a central state. And this is, to at least some degree, a good thing - there’s a central entity which can be observed and judged and regulated, rather than a million people all trying to enforce and judge one another’s usage of violence as justified or unjustified.

        But ultimately, such subcontracting of violence is conditional - as long as the central state represents our rights adequately, to at least some degree, people are willing to continue to surrender their own sovereign right to commit violence to it. Whenever the central state does not represent a citizen’s rights adequately, the citizen often withdraws that surrender of sovereignty - either in total or, more often, conditionally - to protect their own rights.

        When you make a contract - even in something as small as buying an apple - you are relying on the threat of force from the state to back it - “We will forcibly remove property or freedom from you if you violate this contract.” Violence is a part of everyday life - what’s important is to act in such a way that minimizes the need for it. In the case of defense of LGBT rights, sometimes that means using violence as a means of deterrence against the violence of bigots that is insufficiently deterred by state action.

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                Pork barrel spending is a saying, I think you’re describing the Four boxes of liberty. Jury doesn’t seem to do a damn thing when they just get pardoned shortly after conviction, we are somewhere between jury and cartridge.

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                  No, im pretty sure political power is kept in barrels, and we take it out when we need to use it. Because it comes from there.

                  Oh shit, maybe we don’t just store it there, but we make it there? Like whiskey?

                  Old saying from… Korea, i wanna say? Maybe mongolia?

                  I don’t remember exactly, but damn i wonder if its tasty, like whiskey.

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            Violence is typically taken up by actors on their behalf. In an organized state this is, well, generally the state. In non-state activity, this tends to be their friends and family. In societies with weak or nonexistent centralized states, you see this in the form of honor societies being willing to have the young and healthy take up arms and feuds on behalf of offenses against elderly, children, or disabled who they have ties with.

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        Fascist lives don’t matter.

        How do you think Pride managed to become a reality? With “thank you” cards?

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          With “thank you” cards?

          “Thank you for respecting our identity :)” written on a brick.

          Show it to friends, ‘show it’ to foes.

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        I understand this statement in principle but unfortunately thats not how the world works. If you tolerate intolerance you will just end up opressed or dead. Fascists don’t have any problems hurting and killing whoever they deem not worthy of living, they should be met with the same prejudice.

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          This. Violence against fascists isn’t really violence, it’s enforcement of the societal End User License Agreement.

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              You have two opposing groups, let’s call them a and B. Group a says “we dont think group b has a right to exist and we are prepared to get violent” and group b says “we will never use violence”. How long do you expect group b to last?

              Fascists are mercifully not common where I live, but if I hear one mouthing off they’re going to get a savage beating.

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                Surely the answer is both sides decided the other doesnt have a right to exist. There’s no difference between labeling someone a Nazi or labeling someone trans when the only point is to excuse violence on that group.

                People are letting their emotions cloud their better judgment, or they haven’t developed better judgment yet. Unfortunately people think very short term and often mold reasoning around their actions after the fact.

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                  A trans person is a trans person does not have a choice about their identity. Being a nazi is a choice you make because you want to hate people. A nazi merely needs to decide not to be a cunt and the problem resolves itself. The only way a trans person can make peace with a nazi is by hiding who they are and living a lie. It’s not the same. And if you think it is then either A: you’re delusional or B: you know I’m right but you’re also a nazi.

                  To put it a different way, should black people go around in white face to make the kkk happy?

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        Fascists arent people, so i agree.

        Or do you mean we should protect fascists? Because no. That is not how we get and keep our rights. We get and keep our rights by negotiating, and political power, un fortunately, is stored in barrels. I think that’s how that saying goes.

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          Fascists arent people

          What is the point of this? Fascists are obviously people. There is no non-person fascist. What do you gain by pretending otherwise?

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            Dehumanizing a fictional enemy lets collectivists and terrorist supporters feel like they are in a real war without being in one and also let’s them balance the cognitive dissonance of a discourse that claims to accept others while in practice they just want to get rid of others

            It’s fascinating, actually

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        Yes, it’s a shame fascists are so hell bent on doing that to us. But perhaps if they experience consequences, they may elect to do literally anything else with their life than harass queer people.

        But I know I’m being too optimistic.

        Some fascists would rather die than be better human beings… So it is only generous to oblige them.

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          Unfortunately, showing a brick to a fascist’s face will likely just reinforce their bullshit. Still effective though.

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            Fascists are cowards. A brick to the face will keep most of them from putting themselves in situations conducive to future bricks to the face

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              I’d certainly hope so, but the idiots that I have the unfortunate necessity of dealing with are way too dense to make that connection.

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        Nah, Nazis don’t deserve respect or peace. See the paradox of tolerance.

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        I agree. But you have to defend yourself against people who are violent against you for not being up to their standards and beliefs.

        But if you are attacked for being who you are, feel free to use words like “please stop, don’t do this” instead of a brick.

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        Sounds like you’re fine with watching others get hurt as long as it isn’t you.

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        Crazy responses huh? If it makes you feel better, after they chase off any voices of reason, these type of people resort to eating eachother.

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          Indeed. One has to understand that the people calling for violence in these threads usually never get to the stage of wondering what happens when their circular reasoning is used against them

          Fascinating

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            It’s a good question.

            One problem with “fascists should be met w violence” is in the lack of definition for fascist. I can tell you, in my experience, saying something like “I don’t want universal healthcare” is enough to earn me the label of “fascist” in leftwing forums like Lemmy and Reddit.

            If the logic is “people who disagree are fascists, and fascists deserve violence” or more simply “people who disagree deserve violence”… well isn’t that what fascists say??

            Do you agree that that example at least highlights a serious problem in the chain of logic?

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              No, that’s you and others being petty, that’s not fascism. If you want other people to be dead on the basis of who they were born as and attempt to make those ideals a reality you are a fascist and death for you would be a net positive. Don’t be a crybaby, be realistic and stop being such a reactionary child.

              Edit: And that is not reason, that is just myopic self justification. If you have the problem that people are constantly calling you a fascist and you’re not arguing for death camps and absolute authoritarianism, then the thing that’s going on is that you’re just an insufferable and controlling asshole.

              Edit: Also, point blank, supporting fascists makes you a fascist.

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    Great. Now I have Brick House stuck in my head. 🤣

    ~Fuck. I’m older than that song. 😢~