Can we ban the phrase “politics isn’t my thing”? Saying it is punishable by 1 hour in the nearest town stockade.
I believe in man made climate change, just not from burning fossil fuels. Now let me tell you about the promise of geoengineering…
Nah but we’re getting rid of the NASA satellites that monitor this so we won’t see climate change anymore
I’m surprised there has been so little ecoterrorism in response to climate change.
I was expecting some kind of analog to the terrorist groups of the 70s in Europe for sure. But all the violence is coming from the other side.
“ignore it until you can’t anymore”
Lol. A few years ago we watched conservatives ignore COVID until they were literally dead.
I was sure that would decimate their voter base, between those who died and those who were left to see the fall out.
So they ignored it until they couldn’t anymore.
No, brother. The dead ignore everything. Not even the death of our sun will wake them.
Ignoring something requires intent.
Does a mountain ignoring a man mean that the mountain has the capacity to take notice?
Ignorance is simply entropy by another name. Information is energy, and ignorance is the absence.
The harrowing thing for me about “Don’t Look Up”, was that you couldn’t tell if it was about climate change, or Covid, or basically any other far-right political denialism.
I assumed it was covid at first, but then I realised how long it takes to make a movie and it came out too soon… It was just that accurate.
Funny how a lot of criticism was about how it was “too on the nose”, but really, it still seems to have gone over people’s heads
The ending is what really got me.
They all just sat down and kept trying to live life the way they always had, like going back and making everything the way it was just for a little while was all they could do in the face of obliteration.
I don’t know about anyone else, but the way that scene is drawn out, as the viewer, I was just expecting some deus ex machina shit to happen, like a volcano would divert the shockwave, or they would survive under the rubble, or the whole thing was a fever dream… And they all just get obliterated by the disaster they all knew was coming and no longer preventable. It’s how I feel living in a house with AC, and having two cars in the driveway. I’m contributing to the climate crisis, but as an individual, I have zero impact in what is happening. The people with the power to cut back and actually make an impact on the climate won’t, because they only have that power though greed above everything else.
Anyway, sorry if you’re depressed after reading it. When we hit +1.5C, all the cool people can come over to my house for a nice dinner before the food supply collapses and the famine sets in.
If that’s your attitude, why are you waiting until later to open your home, share meals, or lend your car to people?
Theft, money, insurance.
I wanna change the world, but I still have to live in it first.
I don’t get that criticism. Being on the nose and over the top is a stylistic choice that can be really wonderful. I mean look at Bong Joon-Ho’s movies. They are all extremely on the nose. It seems like critics just have a smug preference for subtlety and ambiguity
Being on the nose and over the top is a stylistic choice that can be really wonderful
Right, but it can also be obnoxious to beat over the head with the same concept over and over. ]
It seems like critics just have a smug preference for subtlety and ambiguity
I don’t know why you ascribe smugness to it, someone that watches movies for a living is obviously gonna prefer films that don’t waste time telling the audience something more than necessary.
Let’s not forget they were all, and still are, shitting their organs out on horse dewormer
If they posted the temperature in Farenheit maybe they could get Americans on board
Yes, but even in the US I can recognize that 50°C is literally halfway to boiling (from freezing).
… You’re right though, it still took longer to get an intuitive sense than 122°F would have.
“ayo 50 degrees? that just about autumn weather! these damn europeans are stoopid!”
“It’s only going to get worse.”
That’s the theme going forward for humanity. The older I get, the more I realize humans just aren’t intelligent enough, as a whole, to adapt to a world changing at an ever increasing rate, requiring a larger percentage of humanity to work in unison to accomplish goals.
It’s looking more and more like we’re a failed experiment.
Our selfish survival instincts that allowed us to get to where we are now will also be our downfall.
It’s not about intelligence, it’s about mass manipulation starting from the youngest age. Intelligence isn’t an inherent trait, it is taught. And the system has been perfected to ingrain fear and ignorance or apathy and tiredness in our minds.
It’s not about the species being “stupid”, that narrative is part of the poison that manipulates us, and is ultimately, an incredibly stupid thing
If I put my hand on a stove. It hurts. I learn not to do that again.
If I live in a region that has been controlled by a specific party for generations and life sucks, and I keep voting for that party, then I’m stupid.
If I’m suffering the effects of global warming after professionals have spent decades telling me it was happening, and I choose to continue ignoring it, I’m stupid.
You’re trying to absolve ADULTS from the responsibility of self-education. Of learning from experience.
There’s a lot of misinformation out there. But adults shouldn’t be waiting for someone to tell them what to think. It’s their responsibility to learn from obvious mistakes. There are plenty of people in history that have left organized religion because they learned, through experience, that it was bullshit. That means anyone that isn’t willfully ignorant can do the same.
I work with a lot of conservatives (the American kind that deny anthropological climate change and anti-vax/mask). They aren’t ignoring it anymore - though there are plenty that do because stupid. They’re just handwaving it away as some natural cycle of the sun and “there’s nothing we can do about it.”
They just engage in whatever mental gymnastics that avoids the thousands of years of collective scientific knowledge and analysis that says they’re wrong so they won’t a) get the stink of being a liberal tree-hugger on them, b) be inconvenienced by any required effort or sacrifice on their part to help mitigate it, c) have to pay a single cent for it.
All the boomers who retired in Florida are paying the price.
Love watching videos where they cry about their special assessments due to insurance spikes exposing how under funded their HoAs among other idiotic behaviours they are known to engage in as “property owners”
There is some justice in the world.
Social security querns ain’t rich enough to take these hits… They assume they were in the club 🤡
“Its a natural solar cycle” is literal fossil fuels climate denial circa 2003 when An Inconvenient Truth came out.
Also doesn’t make any goddamn sense for multiple reasons, the primary being that it only changes the temp by 0.1°C maximum, and as were currently working our way through the ‘grand solar minimum’ of the cycle from 2020 to 2053, and so far - line still goes up.
Pretty charts and science (which they will likely ignore): https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-incoming-sunlight
At least one of the conservatives I know believes the dinosaurs died in a great biblical flood. This is powerful “you can’t reason somebody out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into” energy.
We need to do a better job teaching kids physics. Imo since trump laid off so many scientists my thought would be to send them all to schools and churches as guest speakers for science.
What we actually need is classes on critical thinking - basic formal and informal logic as a mandatory part of school cirriculums at whatever age it is appropriate.
We also need to move away from the hierarchical top-down mode of education we use today.
I got a ‘‘low air quality’’ alert on my phone. I live in the middle of nowhere. But I can’t see the mountains from all the ash in the sky. This is no longer novel to me.
I modded r/collapse for a little under a year. Joined the sub back in 2012 or so. I still read it, though I no longer participate.
We are absolutely fucked. I have been through the stages of grief more times than I like to admit. My goal right now is to hurry my way through the stages when I bounce back and get to acceptance. Every once in a while something will trigger me and I will spiral for several days.
Once you get past the grief, the anger, the bargaining, the acceptance makes things clear. Our world is run by people who simply don’t care. Their short life spans give them no ability to think long term for our planet or even our species. All they care about is the right now and fictional numbers going up.
Yeah. The future is dark, no matter what angle you look at it from.
I don’t think humans will go extinct. We’re very persistent and very good at surviving. But I think there’s going to be mass death and forever wars over resources. I think our total population size is going to plummet.
We just don’t have what it takes to get enough of our species working together to address these large scale problems the future presents. Too much greed. Too much selfishness. Too much ignorance.
I wanted to go to school for this stuff, but conservative “values” have infiltrated every aspect of society is ways even most progressives take for granted and you get smacked down if you want to change anything. The only value they care about is Dollar Value.
Watching that sub collapse from the influx of people realising something was wrong with the world always amused me, I tried my best to stop people blowing up over Sam Carana posts, doomsday apocalypse predictions, the newest fad political posturing/doomsday devices.
There was a lot of great information there; it was pretty much the only reason I kept reddit around. Thanks for modding.
I read collapse for a good while. Same story. Just spiraling into depression and fear for the present and future. The worst part is not really knowing how quickly it will all go. If it was quick I’d just prepare for a life not worth living as things implode into anarchy. Starving or being killed by marauding thieves isn’t a great place to be. If it were longer term maybe buying a piece of land and preparing for intermittent utilities and food supplies might be an option. The not knowing is the worst part, and yeah, the willful blindness to just “get mine” while they can and ignoring how worthless it will all be when it collapses is mind boggling. No good having a million dollars to buy an apple when there are mo apples to be had.
I used to main hanging around and shitposting on /r Collapse. They had so many useful resources.
I know I’m gonna get shit for this, but I’m tired of being reminded of this ten times over when I feel the most powerless to stop it than I’ve ever felt in my life. Now more than ever, all I see is a neighboring government undoing the little progress that we’ve made in the past decades I’ve spent worrying. I no longer see the way out like I used to. This only makes me feel miserable.
I no longer see the way out like I used to.
Don’t worry, the next step is not even caring about it.
Is it worse for the world? Yes.
Is it easier on you, personally? Absolutely.
Regards for like 30 years people kept saying I worry too much. I could never let go. Never. Then something broke a few months ago or smth.
And this is what I look like now.
Apathy is the greatest weapon of the oppressor. It fucking got me. Don’t let it get you, if possible.
I’ve been there man. What I can say that helped me is doing things myself. It’s small, and people are quick to say what’s the point, but I get immensely satisfaction whenever I turn off fossil fuels to another appliance. I rarely drive now, I bike, I do any little thing I can. Will it save everyone? Probably not. But I’m doing what I can, and it helps me.
Meanwhile, OPEC and one of the most dangerous countries in the world: “Drill, baby, drill! Burn, baby, burn!”
trump is bought by the fossil fuel industry. it doesn’t make sense for the US to not import solar panels. cheap energy drives manufacturing, and solar is cheap.
It’s simple: there aren’t any “big solar” companies that could pay trump or most politicians more than big oil (chevron, bp, shell, exxon) companies do.
Yeah, this battle is, unfortunately, lost. It is now too late to stop what is coming. Keep in mind that the effects we’re witnessing are from emissions 10-20 years ago, and the global total continues to rise and will likely continue for the foreseeable future. If you haven’t yet, don’t procreate. If you have already, don’t continue to.
That doesn’t mean we should stop trying for a better world however.
I’m not implying we shouldn’t try. I’m advocating a realistic view of the situation. Too many have their heads in the sand.
No I know, I agree with you. I just feel compelled to make that statement because without it people might be more complicit in the destruction of their world after reading yours.
You said that the battle is lost. That sounds like giving up to me.
Good for you?
No, that isn’t good for me. That’s my whole point. It isn’t good for anybody!
The Ministry of The Future is a great book.
The rich and powerful want us to give up. Mitigation is still possible.
The propaganda has gone from:
“It doesn’t exist”
to
“Okay, it does exist, but it isn’t caused by humans.”
to
“Okay, it is caused by humans, but it’s too late to do anything about it now!”
Each one of those has been a lie that serves those in power. Don’t buy it.
I’m not sure why you made two different comments, but ok.
This is exactly what I’m talking about, denial of reality. I’m not talking about propaganda, I’m talking about the science. I’ve been paying attention for the last 25 years, and we’ve unfortunately hit a point where massive suffering and death are inevitable due to inaction.
If you haven’t yet, don’t procreate. If you have already, don’t continue to.
Or go all out and let evolution sort it out.
It’s not that I don’t pay attention or try to conserve energy, but I’m so powerless to affect real change. It kills me to be raising children in this world.
Exactly. You try to conserve water and use less power to try to help the planet, meanwhile Elon Musk is burning several million tons of gas to run Grok.
Try out meat free Mondays.
They’ll stop factory farming so much if less people buy meat.
Nah, they’ll just start a new anti-vegan anti-vegetarian campaign and everyone will eat it up.
Okay but you can control your own actions. Don’t you want to be better than all the sheeple? Or do you want to be bad because they’re just as bad?
I’m already vegetarian, so I’m controlling my actions just fine. I just also see how angry everyone gets when they find out that I don’t eat meat, despite it having basically no impact on them.
It’s more that “meat free Monday” will do nothing whatsoever, the problem is pollution from large corporations
It will do something. The demand for meat will fall, the more people who don’t eat meat. Defeatism is not only unhelpful, it’s also wrong.
So you’re saying demand for meat will fall by exactly 0%? The local grocery store will have exactly the same number of people buying the same amount of meat?
Consumer demand does not, in fact, make a dent on emissions. Corporations buying from each other is what does.
Consumer demand never makes a dent on emissions? So if everyone in your city became a vegan overnight, the grocery store would keep on buying the same amount of meat and letting it rot on the shelves?
Wow, I should start selling bridges to grocery store managers
Exactly. But hey, use paper a straw and lie to yourself that you’re having an impact lol.
I feel you, I’m in the same boat. They constantly preach this shit at us but without major systemic change we’re fucked. So we get to just listen to people blasting it continuously stressing us out on the incoming Armageddon with little else we can do except ‘hurr eat less meat and make sure to recycle!’
We’re trapped on a burning planet with superstitious dictators committing holocausts in broad daylight and there are forum mods/admins who find it within themselves to stop you from advocating online to ixnay a few fascists or billionaires
Fuck retards who vote for fascist lunatics.
Okay but why the r-slur
Eh, at this point can we just agree that word doesn’t apply to people with actual disabilities? It hasn’t been used as such for decades. Maybe we just agree to only use it to refer to morons, the same way “moron” was once a medical term.
Didn’t the words moron and imbecile follow along a similar line of etymological evolution that the r-word went through? Yet imbecile and moron are considered acceptable offensive words to use. To be honest it’s why I don’t really care that much about the r-word itself.
Soooo many other words, just pick a better one.
Seriously why are you acting like using words is so frigging hard.
There’s so much worse shit going on in the world as is the entire point of the discussion and this is the hill your choosing to die on here? Mere inconvenience of learning to just use words?
There are many hills to die on, but I have standards and those standards are important. Just pick a better word next time and move on, it’s not that difficult.
How about you just ignore it and move on, instead of asking everyone to pander to your standards? Not to be rude, but no one on the internet gives a shit about your standards, and no one is going to try to comply with them. Use the downvote button if you don’t like the word
But why? Some people are still hurt by it’s usage, we have other words.
Are people actually hurt by its usage or is it another case of “protecting” people who don’t really mind?
I mean I know people hurt by it personally so I don’t use it, to each their own I guess. Surprised that’s a hot take though
speaking about hot takes…. So Why are you still going on about the inconvenience of just changing words? Just learn new words and be done with it. Can’t be that hard. Kids can learn new words every day. I believe in you.
I think about 5% of the time it’s someone who’s actually affected, and 95% of the time it’s performative moralising. Of course there’s no way of telling which time is which…
This is something I’ve been wondering about.
The r-slur is one of the few words that actually bothers fascists.
If you call them a “fascist” they don’t care. If you call them a “nazi”, they don’t care. If you call them a “traitor”, some of them care a little bit. These are not insults that get under their skin.
But if you call them a “retrd" or a "fggot”, it can really rustle their jimmies. In their minds, these are actual insults.
So if using the slur hurts the fascists more than it hurts the marginalized group, would that usage be justified? Wield the word as a weapon against the fascists, in a way?
I’m not sure, leaning probably not. But if I see ICE in the street I would like something to yell at them that actually bothers them. Maybe “Trump is a kiddie diddler” will work for a little while.
I heard Cartman say it’s ok to use it now and he is my moral compass.
Reddit is a dumping ground of hate generated by AI eating fuel to wreck the planet further
