Every single independent voter I talked voted for Orange Nero. That is how they conceal their racist neo-Nazi bullshit beliefs.
That’s because in practical reality, there are no independent voters. The vastly overwhelming majority of independents actually vote consistently along party lines.
It’s an interesting assertion, which caused me to ask a question here: How are we defining “independent”, exactly?
Because if it’s merely “not a member of a major political party”, it pretty much explains everything.
I will spice up your life I’m an independent voter and didn’t vote for Orange Nero :D
I’m sorry, but if you didn’t vote Dem in this election, you’re an idiot of the highest caliber.
Vote Trump, you’re an idiot for obvious reasons.
Vote anyone else in an election like this one, you’re an idiot. The 3rd party candidate with the most votes only got half of a single percent of the total votes. In other words, no 3rd party candidate had even the whisper of a chance of winning.
If you’re willing to gamble on a sure-to-lose scenario in an election as serious as the 2024 election, you’re an idiot.
Trump very obviously played the left with the help of Netanyahu while throwing the democrats under the bus, and the left ate it up. While the right unified, the left splintered into micro groups all hating on each other for having differing opinions within the left. I’m hearing Americans now saying “well it’s the Dems fault…” great, you sure showed them huh?
Those people did the equivalent of chopping off their own foot, but calling it a win cause they got blood on the other guy.
Yup. I hope the “Biden is committing genocide” and “Dems didn’t solve every problem known to man” are happy with their new president they helped elect.
Are you seriously disagreeing with the assessment of Biden committing (or being complicit in, potato potatoh) genocide? Or is it only talking about it that you have a problem with? Or making the assessment that it makes a politician unsuitable to hold office? In my not-completely-fucked-in-the-head reality, that’s pretty much the sane take.
No.
I’m being an adult that accepts the reality I live in.
In that reality there is basically no scenario where America gives up its most important long-term ally in the Middle East over a never-ending religious conflict they’re having with someone else.
So, being that’s the reality we live in, I can determine that the situation is INFINITELY better off in the hands of one party than the other. So I voted for that party to mitigate the damage that we’re now going to see due to a bunch of idiots that didn’t want to accept the reality they lived in and ended up making the very thing they cared about worse.
I also voted for that party because I’m not a moron single issue voter and I know there’s a lot else at stake right here at home.
I asked what specifically you had an issue with, and gave three possibilities. Which one are you saying no to? This screams “evasion” that you just say “no” and then start in with a bunch of vague platitudes. You won’t even pin down what you’re saying. Speak up.
So, being that’s the reality we live in, I can determine that the situation is INFINITELY better off in the hands of one party than the other.
Genocide is not infinitely better than genocide. It is actually delusional to think that a political system comprised of two parties which have a near-total consensus on committing genocide are operating independently. You can frame this as a “tough choice adults have to make” as much as you want, but the fact that you have no coherent explanation about why this is happening shows you’re just playing games instead of facing reality.
I also voted for that party because I’m not a moron single issue voter and I know there’s a lot else at stake right here at home.
Again - genocide is not a “single issue”. It shows that on the spectrum of morality, a politician is at absolute zero. Pure evil. It negates every other stance they supposedly have, because it proves that they value absolutely nothing except their own benefit. If you can sacrifice millions of humans, you are an absolute devil. If you vote for someone like that, no much how much anguish you supposedly subject yourself to while you’re doing it, you’re a fool and a useful idiot at best, and as evil as the politician at worst. And back to the point of “the parties are not actually independent”, this speaks only to you failing to understand that voting for either of these parties sacrifices everything that’s at stake. It is the public shooting itself in the foot and thinking they’re being strategic.
So far this new president helped stop the genocide that Biden was supporting.
So far this new president helped stop the genocide that Biden was supporting.
I’ll take “Utterly Moronic Comments Stated Unironically” for $500, Alex.
Kewl funny quirky meme! Shame it lacks any substance and literally contradicts what I’m hearing from my friends. But by all means, close your eyes, stick fingers in your ears and go “lalalalalalala can’t hear you lalalallalala” like the grownup you are.
Trump also confirmed he had instructed the military to resume shipments of 2,000-pound bombs to Israel, which had been paused over concerns about civilian casualties.
Looks like your hero turned out to be the villain.
*Edit: added link
Trump also confirmed he had instructed the military to resume shipments of 2,000-pound bombs to Israel, which had been paused over concerns about civilian casualties.
Biden sent 14,000 of those bombs as of July last year. Enough to kill roughly a million people in a concentrated enough area. Some critical context you missed in your framing of the situation.
West Bank ethnic cleansing
Has been ongoing at this increased pace for about a year. Are you just hearing about it now?
You guys truly struggle with this. Both of them are complicit in the genocide. Stop trying to make one of them look good just because you identify more with him.
And no, I do not agree with Maalus’s take just because I’m under his comment arguing with you.
First of all, just because he did something good doesn’t make Trump “my hero”. But feel free to say that, that’ll 100% work to convince people. Second of all - all I know is the situation from my friends there. And they are returning to their old workplace. They are talking about rebuilding. Right now they got a reprieve, with a ceasefire agreement from October, that was refused then, with the US government saying “it’s Hamas who refused it” which was obvious bullshit. They are also getting medical devices in. So yeah, I’ll believe the people who are actually there, over a random dude on lemmy, thanks.
First of all, just because he did something good
He didn’t. You’re just ignorant.
You’re the random dude on lemmy who claims to “know people” vs the random dude on lemmy who cites his sources.
Israel and Netanyahu preferred Trump by a wide margin over Kalama, so unless you’re a Zionist I wouldn’t recommend celebrating yet.
So yeah, I’ll believe the people who are actually there, over a random dude on lemmy, thanks.
You actually think the legal dept. over at NBC and CBS would allow them to publish quotes from the POTUS that weren’t true? Those are actual quotes of what Trump said. But, yeah, believe what you feel like believing.
Boy are you woefully misrepresenting reality. If cognitive dissonance were a solid, yours would have its own moons.
So it was Biden who got the ceasefire?
Ahhh. I get it. You live in a month ago. Here, let me at least catch you up to somewhat recently:
So trump is going to help Israel turn Palestine into a glass crater……
And then there’s this disaster of a plan
And lastly, let’s not forget that his take on the subject is to “clean out the whole thing”….
So, I’mna go ahead and let you get to reading- hopefully you can get caught up to currently, and I’ll ask that once you arrive at now, you do your best to keep up with the rest of the class. Because you living in the past seems like a huge inconvenience- and not just for all of us…
What ceasefire? The one that was violated immediately?
Someone can tell me why they voted for Trump and right away after that abuse of power became OK and rule of law in US significantly deteoriated? In democracy it would be possible to right away impeach Trump, or re-count the votes, or investigate it, or something like that…
Because it’s “their team.”
I truly wish there was more to it.
if you didn’t vote Dem in this election, you’re an idiot of the highest caliber
Support for the GOP correlates heavily with the presence of a fossil fuel industry in a given state or electoral district. It also tilts heavily by gender, with women and pocs tilting heavily Dem (black women vote
RepublicanDemocrat in the 90-95% range) while white men are around 2:1 Republican.The party politics flows accordingly, delivering the red meat their base voters crave while focusing the more material policies toward their respective donor bases.
What’s really fucked things of late has been Dems pandering to factions that don’t actually support them (huge Dem support for AIPAC when Israel special interests were leaning hard right, huge Dem support for the domestic tech sector when Bezos/Zuck/Elon were throwing their support behind Trump, Harris parading around with Liz Cheney to the cheers of basically nobody).
If you’re willing to gamble on a sure-to-lose scenario in an election as serious as the 2024 election, you’re an idiot.
Republicans and Democrats both love a big rug pull. The difference on Lemmy is that you’ll see plenty of people recognize the scam that is $TRUMP coin the moment it is announced, but you’ll still see them doggedly defend Biden for stiffing college debtors while throwing billions into an Infrastructure Investment Act for a Silicon Valley crowd that hate him.
Agree with most of what you’re saying except
see them doggedly defend Biden for stiffing college debtors
Biden did more for college debtors than any president, ever. Did he entirely eliminate college debt? No. No one who was critically thinking actually thought that was going to happen, because what was probably going to happen was what ended up happening. A bunch of roadblocks got thrown in his way, including the Supreme Court. But he still eliminated many millions of dollars in college debt for a lot of people.
There’s no doubt that the Democratic party is not particularly great at running campaigns. But that doesn’t absolve the American populace from their duty to be reasonably informed. The Democratic party can run a dogshit campaign and people who are reasonably informed can still look at the hard data and see which party is a better bet for the economy and average Americans.
And to be clear, in a sane world, they did run a better campaign than the Republicans who ran on hate, fear, and absolute ridiculousness. IMMIGRANTS ARE EATING PEOPLE’S PETS IN SPRINGFIELD, OHIO.
That shit worked because Americans are pretty goddamn stupid. That’s not the Democrat’s fault, especially since they actually vote in favor of our educational system instead of trying to privatize it, like Republicans. The brunt of this shitshow we find ourselves in falls squarely on American voters and their lack of education/morals.
That’s true! They’re very stupid.
Since this has been proven twice, it is now a known fact, what should the democrats do next time to enrapture these very stupid people and ensure a decisive victory against the enemy?
I mean if we’re taking 2024 as a lesson, I guess Democrats should run a campaign of non-stop fear and hatred based propaganda lies.
Apparently that’s what gets votes in America.
And this is the… only other option?
Biden did more for college debtors than any president, ever.
Screaming this over and over again, but college debtors still won’t vote for me.
black women vote Republican in the 90-95% range
Surely you meant they vote Dem in this range.
Typo. Yes.
Not to say the 2024 pres. election wasn’t important, but when was the last election where you would have said “sure, go vote for that 3rd party”?
Never.
Why?
Because no 3rd party has done the necessary work to become a nationally viable party. No 3rd party will be viable until they start investing in candidates in local/state elections.
There is no cheat code to make a 3rd party candidate president. 3rd parties have to start winning local/state offices, then get representatives in the House, then the Senate, before even having the possibility of running a candidate that can win a presidential election.
Anyone voting 3rd party for president is extraordinarily ignorant and assisting in the decline of this nation on the fastest timeline possible.
Oh look, it’s Lemmy’s resident “fuck third parties” guy posting again.
How about “anyone who votes for a politician committing genocide is fucking sick, and that applies to the vast majority of American voters.”
Vote anyone else in an election like this one, you’re an idiot. The 3rd party candidate with the most votes only got half of a single percent of the total votes. In other words, no 3rd party candidate had even the whisper of a chance of winning.
We had this thread last week. I personally spent days laying out every single detail of American empire and oligarchy and how the two-party mechanic is used to mindfuck the public into compliance. Turned out people on your side were completely wrong. Can you just go back and read those threads instead of starting the same fucking argument all over again.
edit: Like me or my position or not, the point remains - why are we endlessly starting the same conversation over from scratch when we already had it?
Naaah… it didn’t turn out that the people on their side were wrong at all, just that you disagreed with them. And what really happened was- it turned out that you couldn’t have a conversation without insulting people and getting your shit removed for trolling.
I agree though. People absolutely should read those threads, however- it’ll be a little confusing unless they access the modlogs to get your… take- on a few of those discussions.
I am getting pretty sweary these days, getting really tired of pseudointellectual Americans whitewashing their genocidal government. On Lemmy no less, which is supposed to be a refuge from the state propaganda outlet Reddit turned into, but no, you all had to come here and ruin this too. And shout out to the mods who erase key messages from those discussions, because having an authentic, emotionally charged, organic discussion about America’s responsibility for genocide is apparently too much for people to handle.
Educated people can make their own judgment without you coloring in their reality for them, thanks.
Educated people can make their own judgment without you coloring in their reality for them, thanks.
Right, however, you’d have to be able to appeal to educated people first. And I don’t think you’re capable of it to be honest. Don’t get me wrong, cosplaying the “ackshually” meme would have been a great idea if it weren’t for the fact that people generally don’t like that guy very much.
But you do you.
Oh, and a bit of advice- I’d be careful with hurling that… “pseudointellectual” accusation at other people- especially in a comment thread where your modlog was made easily accessible. Glass houses being what they are.
(Oh, and, it’s pseudo-intellectual by the way, so- mind your hyphens)
Anywho, I think I made my point. There’s no real need to continue this.
What point? A personal attack and a nitpick about hyphenation? Is that the substance of your argument in defense of people who voted for mass murderers?
This is exactly what we’re talking about when we say Democrats are obsessed with “respectability politics” and don’t give a fuck about morality. What the fuck is the point of your message? All you’re doing is asserting superiority. You’re not saying anything. Just don’t even reply, be silent.
I’m going to need a napkin for all that irony you’re dripping.
Have a good evening for yourself.
I wish this site had a working block feature like reddit. Some of these people just need to be cut out of responding. “Hide their messages endlessly taunting you and dancing around the point even after you’ve left” is not the same.
The billionaires with their hand up Trump’s ass are clearly more evil than the billionaires with their hand up Biden’s ass.
I mean, yes and yes, but unfortunately yes. It’s possible for a capitalist shit stain to be worse than a capitalist pee stain, even if only by a near indiscernible margin. Which mattress would you rather??
The Dems failing to pass helpful legislation is different than scrapping the country and having the peices sold off by Donald Trump
But to a centrist everything that isn’t shoveling ice cream into their stupid maw is equally evil
Huge red flag, using “centrist” to apply to anyone who criticizes both political parties. Lot of those people identify as “leftists” with Democrats to their “right”. It’s an really grotesque America-centric framing that makes it sound like any position outside of the genocidal American mainstream is automatically wrong, and any bipartisan critique is just lazy indecisiveness. As if every systemic critique of this country is wrong. As if you ever even bothered to think critically about the entire system yourself, or what better possibilities are out there. I think that’s what they call a “thought-terminating cliche”. Your mind hasn’t gone there, but you’ll attack anyone whose mind has. Really disgraceful behavior.
Filthy centrists.
“I don’t feel comfortable voting for a woman with the same policies”
“I wanted to be outraged and lose sleep daily. I need to yell at my computer and throw things at my TV in order to feel alive”
Good! We want boring. I don’t want to look at our government every other day and think this is the day we are going to die. Or loved ones. Or stupid fucking decisions that have nothing to do with the voters. We long for boring.
I remember tuning into the morning news every morning during his first presidency to make sure the US hadn’t imploded overnight. There was always some new shocking shit every time. This week has been no different.
Speaking of 2020, remember when democrats worked hard to pour all their support behind Biden over Bernie? What was the explanation for that?
lots of people who vote for dems aren’t very leftist. The reality is that for dems to win they need to pick sides opposed to republicans on enough issues to capture a majority. 2020 Biden did that. 2024 Biden Harris did not.
remember when democrats worked hard to pour all their support behind Biden over Bernie? What was the explanation for that?
Biden got more votes?
Like, it’s not that complicated. Lookup both Democratic primaries Bernie has been in. He got crushed in popular votes both times. I like Bernie. You apparently do too. Doesn’t mean most voters do. He lost the popular vote. Twice.
I wouldn’t say he got crushed. But you’re not wrong. Despite people being wrong down voting you for saying that he lost the popular vote. He 100% did. I can say that as someone who voted for sanders. Unfortunately a lot of Sanders voters can’t.
A lot of the Democrats primary rules weren’t very democratic. But Sanders knew what they were going in. And Democrats didn’t break the rules. And despite losing, Sanders got shit done and helped make the rules more democratic for the future.
If Biden was getting more votes, why did the democratic party collude to make all the other candidates drop and put their support behind Biden while funding a super PAC to keep Warren in the race to split votes with Bernie right before the critical point of super tuesday? They also had their buddies in big media play the narrative of “the Biden miracle” where he edged ahead in South Carolina thanks to a single critical endorsement by Clyburn but was doing poorly before then. For this favor, the democrats moved South Carolina up in the primaries in 2024, even though South Carolina went to Trump in both 2020 and 2024 for the general election.
The democratic party felt so threatened by Bernie that they put their thumb on the scale during their own party primary which is already biased towards party-favored “moderate” candidates since people more in line with the party are more likely to vote in them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
Keep in mind that Biden became the most progressive president in our lifetimes.
So you decided to completely ignore the point of my post to reiterate “Biden got more votes?” even though the whole point of my post is to show how that’s a fallacious argument. Then you went on to spit out the tired talking point “most progressive president in our lifetimes” which is an extremely low bar to clear when democrats refuse to let anyone actually progressive through their party-controlled primary process.
Because it happens in, every, single, election. It wasn’t some special treatment Sanders got. Serious question, did you just come of voting age in the last 5 years? I’ve been at it for over 30 now, and have seen this several times.
Do you think that makes it okay?
I never said it did. That’s why Sanders got a lot of that changed working with the Democrats.
It just always comes off as manipulative and disingenuous whenever anyone makes it about Sanders. Especially when they then fail to mention how he worked with the very same Democratic party to make the primaries more democratic. Seemingly being performatively outranged for a man who wasn’t. Almost like you don’t understand the man you claim to support. Or who he is/what he’s about.
I’ve never regretted voting for Sanders in both primaries. Unfortunately a very vocal disingenuous minority do make me reluctant to mention it publicly often.
Let’s not forget that Sanders is an Independent. He isn’t even a member of the Democratic party, why would people be surprised that they supported their candidate over him?
He did join the party to run as a Democrat. Otherwise he couldn’t have run in their primary and he’s stayed in the party since then I believe.
Sanders is working with what he’s got, but it’s clear that democrats refuse to actually make primaries democratic. They’re inherently undemocratic with so much importance placed on the early states that by the time the later states get their chance, it’s already been decided. There is a reason why democrats moved South Carolina up for the primary schedule of 2024 even though Biden was running practically unopposed.
The only performance being played out here is the performance of the “democratic” process which is like handing a kid a toy steering wheel and making them think they’re driving the car. You’re clapping along thinking the system works and you fiercely defend it against any criticism. In fact, you’re so uncomfortable with questioning the system that you admit that you feel reluctant to mention support for any candidate that could possibly be associated with the idea that the process is not the perfect democratic process you think it is.
Holy shit that is one high quality gif!
More like: He’s so…old
Trump is 3 years younger and plainly aging worse than Biden.
If you think conservatives actually cared about Biden’s age, you are sorely mistaken. The proof being they elected an extremely sundowning dipshit that’s basically the same age but aging way worse.
Was just another tactic to get dipshit independent (and some Democrat) voters to shy away from Biden. And it worked, because Americans are dumb.
I wouldn’t say that at all. It’s hard to tell because of trumps make up but Biden looks like absolute dog shit. His final months in office he looked like a strong wind will blow him over and break both of his legs.
Both men look their age but Biden was clearly the older of the two and had no business running for a second term. Whether he was healthier or not is irrelevant.
I’ll take the low energy and working brain over high energy dementia
Lmao that is so accurate. I don’t think I know anyone with high energy dementia but Trump gotta be the first.
Trump looks more energetic, but sounds quite old if you ever actually watch one of his longer speeches. He rambles on and goes off on tangents like a great grandpa.
I think people from both isles have this “image” of Trump they get from all the headlines, influencers and such whereas Biden does not have that kind of cult following simply because he’s less controversial. His image is more from his carefully controlled public performances (which are basically a lie too).
They both looked alarmingly old to me on this election, but I think Trump’s critical mass let many voters “miss” that alarming trait. I have nothing against old people… but I wouldn’t have wanted my grandpa (may he RIP) holding the nuclear football.
Keep moving the bar, then you never have to be wrong or self reflect on why you suck the dick of a con man!
Lmao moving the bar? Are you that much in denial that you’re defending Bidens age? Also I’m not sure why you think I like Trump. Just because I can objectively acknowledge that Biden is as old as my grandmas breast milk doesn’t mean I’m a Trump supporter.
Get your head out of your ass and call things how they are. For the record Trump looked like shit 15 years ago but his makeup does a good job of hiding it which is why I said it’s hard to tell. Both things can be true.
MFW when I see the US presidential candidates
Also gEnOcIdE
Imagine being the pro genocide candidate (Trump) and your opponents voter base (Harris) votes for you to stop the genocide 🤡 /s
Edit: edited because I guess the joke wasn’t clear. Cheeto man bad.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/25/politics/trump-gaza-strip-jordan-egypt/index.html
You didn’t stop the genocide
He AIDED it.
The pro genocide candidate? Netanyahu or one of those HAMAS guys whose stated purpose is to eliminate Israelis?
I know you are immune to logic and introspection, just making the point for everyone else here that you’re a fool.
I guess reading comprehension is hard today on Lemmy so I’ll spell it out for you. Trump =pro genocide. Many voters supported Trump because they did not like Harris/Biden stance on Israel.
Ergo dumb voters vote for the pro genocide candidate (Trump) in an attempt to stop the genocide being committed by Biden.
You know if you ask questions before acting like an ass people will usually respond with an answer and maybe clarify what may have been misunderstood.
I am very aware of what you meant.
Your stance doesn’t track logically. If I’m trying to put out a fire, I don’t douse it in petroleum.
Enjoy the finale.
Like choosing to eat uranium because cancer treatment would give you something to do after work.
“I think politics should always be entertaining. Then I get annoyed that politicians are always drawing attention to themselves and there’s always drama. I cannot even visualize living life any other way. I find myself to be very intelligent! And pure. I find myself to be very intelligent and pure. At the center of the universe! I mean… I turn around, I see the horizon always at the same distance… I must be at the center of the universe. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. I find myself to be very intelligent, and pure, and at the center of the universe.”
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Remember when it was just memes and not political doomer posts?
I genuinely do not.
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Honestly Lemmy kind of fucking sucks.
see ya.
Yet here you are…
…the people are more toxic than even Reddit
Hmmm… let’s take a look:
Honestly Lemmy kind of fucking sucks. It was really good at first and these communities had great memes…but now it’s just full of this trash and the people are more toxic than even Reddit. Such a shame.
Yep. Seems you’re absolutely right about that. If only there were a way to reduce the number of these types of comments.
You mean deleting them? And running off people who disagree? Good job. I’ve been here like two days I’m getting ready to leave.
Happy trails!
What is this meme template from
It’s not a template, they’re going through lines in The Room.
We truly live in Oktavias universe. Except at least there they only elected the faschist once.
I can’t tell the difference between red and blue genocide.
That’s because you aren’t informed.
Blue opposes in words, but aids by supplying weapons while saying they can only be used for defense against other countries but not enforcing that restriction.
Red says fuck the Palestinians, genocide is fine.
There’s also the implication that Blue does have a line, somewhere. Probably related to polling numbers.
President Joe Biden Sets “Red Line” For Netanyahu (2024, Colorized)
Blue is only ok with 1 external genocide and there was a possibility of pressuring Blue to be a decent human. Red is starting an internal genocide while supporting 2+ external genocides. Red would start another genocide just to be contrarian. With no other options less genocide is a fairly simple choice over more genocide. Not choosing less genocide allows more genocide. Congrats the blood is up to your knees and rising instead of just your ankles.
Well, we can’t make you see the difference if you don’t want to.
Of course there’s a difference if you really get into it, but much like the two main parties here, I don’t see the point.
Again, we can’t make you see the point if you don’t want to.
You appear to be looking to not tell the two apart, and I don’t particularly care to go into all the reasons why this mentality is stupid and reductive as hell to the point of being actively poisonous to the ends you’re working to achieve. Because I’ve had this conversation before, and I literally can’t make you see the point in looking into the differences when you don’t want to. And, imo, that’s the exact mentality that got us here, because why bother voting less bad when ThErE’s No DiFfErEnCe BeTwEeN tHeM.
Perfect is the enemy of better, and chasing perfection instead of improving things is only going to burn it down. Which is also what a number of people who share your point of view want. And unfortunately, now is the time of monsters…
Propaganda works and it made a SHIT TON of Americans stupid enough to not grasp the obvious differences between the parties. All you have to do is browse both party’s voting history or look up both party’s criminal convictions and the difference becomes so extreme it’s undeniable.
But Americans are generally too lazy and stupid to do that simple task.
I’m trying to make a point about how similar they are, I don’t think you’ve understood that, don’t see the point in arguing with a leftist. We have a similar issue.
You should just stop posting on social media and start doing your due diligence and looking up both party’s voting history and criminal conviction history.
If you did, you’d stop this “both sides” bullshit.
It’s American politics and both your parties look similar from where I’m sitting. Ours are far from perfect, but they’re still better.
- makes an inflammatory comment
- someone responds to it
- you say you don’t want to argue about the topic you initiated
- continue to engage with that person while also admitting to looking at it from the outside in
What you say and what you want, do, and say don’t see to line up. You’d do great in US politics.
With your own mindset I’m gonna just say your government is much worse than ours in many ways and I don’t want to argue about it.
Oh don’t get me wrong, I understand the point you’re trying to make just fine. It’s just a bad argument that falls apart if you aren’t entirely privileged and give it more than a cursory, surface level look.
Just be glad you get multiple flavors to support you genocidal fuckwit.
Sorry, how am I a “genocidal fuckwit”? I voted for a party against genocide…
And how’s that going? Was the outcome in line with your protest vote?
I hope those Palestinians get ahold of you ;]
You don’t know what you’re on about cause you don’t know who I voted for. Have a good night.
Exactly. In my experience it works like this:
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Blue maga folks make a post bitching again about left-wing voters staying home - precisely what those left wing voters explicitly and repeatedly warned the centrist dems they would do if Biden didn’t stop weapons shipments to Israel.
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In that post, blue maga folks will say, “well, for some reason all the leftists who spoke against Biden have mysteriously disappeared. We never hear from them again. I guess they were all just Russian plants.”
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In the comments, they receive numerous comments from leftists who didn’t vote for Kalama, or in my case, someone who did vote for Kamala, but still fully understands why people didn’t vote for her.
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Blue maga downvotes the Hell out of the leftist post instead of engaging in good faith. They downvote until their posts cannot be seen anymore.
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Blue maga goes on pretending that the anti-genocide leftists have all just mysteriously disappeared.
blue maga
Thanks for putting this so early in the comment so I know to stop reading!
Thanks for outing yourself as blue maga.
And of course during the next primary: ‘we have to rally around 90% hitler to stand a chance against 100% hitler. 0% hitler is just too radical to win the general election. If anything we need more hitler to win over the centrists’
precisely what those left wing voters explicitly and repeatedly warned the centrist dems they would do
So, like, they told us they were going to be stupid?
What do you do with people straight up telling you they’re going to be stupid?
Yes, we did.
Let’s play a game. You and me have to agree on how to split $100, but if we don’t come to agreement, nobody gets anything. If I were a smart, rational person, then even if you were only willing to give me $1, I should accept, because it’s better than $0. But I’m not a smart, rational person, I’m stupid, I’m irrational, I’m spiteful and vindictive, oogy boogy, watch out! I’m gonna choose a number as my minimum, and if you offer me less than that, I’ll take my ball and go home, no matter how crazy or stupid it is to take nothing. And if you know that, I bet you offer me more than $1 next time.
Obviously, the “game theory rational” play of accepting any deal even if it’s $1 isn’t actually smart or reasonable, nor is it unreasonable to set and enforce a minimum standard for cooperation. We can argue over where that line should be drawn, but a line should be drawn somewhere, and I’m pretty damn sure genocide is crossing it.
Of course, it’s impossible to get you lot to see actual reason or understand how negotiation works, but failing that, I’d prefer that you see us as “stupid” or “unreasonable.” Because negotiating with a robot is incredibly easy, you hardly have to give them anything, just make it .000001% better than the alternative. But if you can convince the other side you’re “unreasonable,” then they’ll always be second-guessing “Did we give them enough?” So call us “stupid” as much as you like, it only gives us a stronger negotiating position 💅
Leftists don’t let Nazis get into power, even if it means dealing with corporatists some more years.
You’re not a leftist. You did nothing to avoid the farthest of the right-wing from gaining possibly absolute power. You did nothing to keep things leftward, or even center right - you just allowed the fascists to take over without a struggle.
You’re not the resistance, you’re not a helper, you’re not leftist; you’re nothing.
Fun fact: the KPD refuses to work with the SPD becauae they view the SPD as “social fascists”. Since the KPD and NSDAP combined is a majority, that means the parties had to work with either one of the two to form a governement. Eventually a coalition government was formed with the NSDAP with hitler as chancellor, and the rest is history.
Oh wow, so it really is just a speedrun 1920s/30s Germany.
Yes, it’s starting to actually look like that.
Fun fact: the SPD refused to work with the KPD because they viewed them as “just as bad as the Nazis” and instead supported the “moderate” right which only exacerbated the decline, and it was the candidate they endorsed (Hindenburg) because “he’s the only way to stop Hitler (and Thälmann)” who appointed Hitler chancellor and allowed him to seize power.
GeNoCiDe
Don’t forget: 4.5. Leftists get moderated for saying Biden supported genocide (with the reason given for the moderation being “misinformation”) and receive a ban.
First we had the victim complex, now we introduce the pre-victim complex, now with more self pity!
Cool, more crying
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