“Sorry, you wanted this world, you voted for it”

That is very toxic. Maybe women voted for this and many men didn’t. My point is this kind of talk does nothing but create more sexism. Yes sex is riskier, yes I can understand abstinence, but what I can’t understand is villainizing all men. We can’t ask why young men are turning out hateful if we constantly treat them like the enemy.

Yep. On the other hand, it seems like people aren’t worried enough about Trump to vote against him. No one loved Biden, but he was better than Trump. People just don’t seem to mind anymore.

What no? Wow, jumping right to rape. You know what the whole point of this is right? It’s an act of protest. A protest has a purpose. This one is for women to be treated better. But if, in that act of protest to get more support, you villainize an entire gender then you’re probably ending with a net negative addition to your cause.

The fact that you didn’t realize I was talking about the purpose of this whole thing, and just jumped right to being sexist and shit is just top tier basement troll move. Think more, react less.

You encourage an us vs them mindset by doing things like lumping an entire groups of people together and say they all do XYZ.

Nope, sorry, I mentioned how this can impact women’s mental health too. I genuinely care but you can’t see past me disagreeing with you. Sorry you’re so defensive that it prevents us from having an adult discussion. We tried.

So this is where we are now? All men wanted this? All men voted for this?

What next level bs is that. I did not vote for this. And if this is the blanket us vs. them that women are espousing then sexism is only going to get much worse. I did not vote for this, but people like you are starting a gender war for no reason. You are breeding sexism.

I need a reality check? The irony. You need to understand that a majority of women voted for this and not all men did. Women like you seem so ready to hate these days. If women keep attacking anyone and everyone because of what a small section of that group did they’ll have no allies very soon.

But sure, encourage all women to not be in a relationship. Encourage another form of isolation for women who may find great happiness in having a partner.

So much resentment and vile in your response. You’re so ready to have a war to fight, you don’t much care who it’s against. How much your approach to problems lines up with MAGA is uncanny.

Have you made up this whole story in your head? You’re just saying random things like they’re fact. Are you MAGA, because that’s kinda their thing.

I’m all for body autonomy. The irony is I’m calling out a risk to women’s mental health and you are getting upset for some weird reason. Then you randomly talk about my looks? You don’t even know what I look like.

Do you need help? Are you in crisis?

This isn’t about me, and even if it was, I’m married. We have sex lol.

I pointed out that this could cause mental stress on women. It could cause isolation for some, and then you make all these wild assumptions. Are those projections? Are you ok?

I get they might still date, but at some point a relationship becomes physical. Having a barrier to that can very negatively impact the relationship. There are certain people who are fine with low/no sex, but I don’t believe that’s the norm.

I can understand this reaction, but as you said this is not the best approach for mental health. I don’t see it as a failing, I see it as a very reactionary move that wasn’t fully thought out.

I agree on your last point for sure, the situation is fucked and I can’t blame anyone for being scared or angry about it.

Never once said it was their job to sleep with men. I’m saying this will cause more sexism and isolation. What does this accomplish? Think of a woman wanting a connection, going on a date, and telling him she won’t sleep with him. That’s not a relationship most would be interested in. This will result in her isolating herself.

Thinking that an entire group of women refusing to be in relationships because of what some men did is just hurting them and snubbing people who are allies. I am all for women’s rights, I even got a vasectomy so my partner feels more comfortable and worries less. But if I were dating and ran into people like this it would put a bad taste in my mouth. I just don’t see the point.

This is what it feels like. I would get not engaging with Republicans, but just not in general seems like a way to isolate you and hurt your cause.

Yes, and person treating people this way will eventually result in the opposite of what that person wants. Actions have consequences.

Wait so the idea is do not sleep with any men? Even men who support your views and rights? This just seems like it would radicalize more incels or generate more sexism. Like the average person who did everything they could is going to go on a date and be told “I’m not have sex until the government is fixed” which would make me say “ok, well, hit me up in 4 years.”

This, this was the real problem. Something like 5% of registered Republicans voted for her. Dems usually win the popular vote. There are enough of them to win this, but they choose to alienate them.

The trolly problem only works because it’s headed towards a large group and you have a choice to make of allowing a thing to happen that you had no part causing in the first place. That is not the case in this situation.

Also never called you an American or said anything about you voting. I was talking about the opinion of Trump. So don’t know where that came from, seems a bit defensive.

Just re read the concept to make sure. I think I do.

What lead you to see it that way? I read is as dems vs reps because those are the two parties we have and that meme has been showed with that context many tmes.

The people who have enough privilege to ignore the news are the ones who can do the most to fix things.

You’re saying I can do the most though, is the most I can do just know what’s going on? Curious how that helps anything.

That establishment Democrat on the right looks surprisingly happy

That’s saying the right path was chosen by the dems, where the other would be the republicans. You may have meant to send a different message about aligning with the right, but that’s not how it comes across. For what it’s worth, I very much agree with you on that point.

The trolly problem has a clear moral good choice and bad choice. Saying the dem picked the choice with more deaths clearly indicates you think Trump is the track with less death, i.e. the good guy. Man, logic is never a strong suite for people like you huh?