It’s not like any candidate was actually good but they did pick the worst one.
It’s funny, they say fascism happens in slow motion and no one expects it to actually happen until it’s to late.
I really feel like we’re watching it happen in America.
Everyone’s laughing at Trump’s stupidity while the systems to stop fascism are slowly destroyed behind the scenes.
Feels like he’s just a distraction from what’s actually happening.
No one’s laughing at trump’s shit anymore. Anyone with at least a lukewarm iq and even a cursory knowledge of history can see his fascism. It’s just the system is rigged to give regressive areas more voting power
You don’t even need any of that, he explicitly told everyone that he’s gonna be a dictator
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Eh, that’s not what he said. Sure, yes, he said those words, but if you watch the whole thing it’s clear he just can’t talk like a normal person. He uses words that cause outrage because they get people riled up, and then he goes on to say what he really means. Although who knows man, he’s a total liar, and nothing he says has any value anyways.
What got me about that video was the end. He said “We were doing so well. And we were coming together, and coming together, and it was a beautiful thing. And we’re going to do that again.”. So he personally acknowledged that we were doing well as a country, and more united, and then he came along and started tearing all that down. We’ve been going downhill ever since. His entire motto “make America great again” is built on a lie that he just acknowledged right here at the end of the clip. It was already great. It stopped being great when he wouldn’t shut his fat fucking anus mouth.
But I can’t even really evaluate the things he says without sounding like I’m contradicting myself, because the things he says are contradictory from one statement to another. Idk why I even bothered.
They don’t say shit in good faith my friend. His whole thing is to say stuff that makes his followers react and exhausts anyone trying to pin him down on anything. Contrary to what anyone thinks he isn’t fooling anyone. His rube followers are just happy he’s upsetting everyone and wont hold him to a single thing. Everyone else is just tired of his shtick.
The GOP is done veiling their ideas and power plays but it’s not like they are being honest. The political equivalent of yelling jibberish at the top of your lungs when someone asks you a simple question. Sad part is the media feeds on it somehow.
That’s a very good assessment that I completely agree with.
complaining about the rise of fascism
infers anyone who’s not going to vote fascism away is a dunce
mentions lukewarm iq
mentioning iq at all
guess there’s just a predetermined, genetic based, level of intelligence hey mate? scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds, comrades.
I’m not American, I dont get a vote, I laugh at trump, and all of America, to keep myself from crying.
I keep saying it, but no one wants to join my radical and poorly regulated militia so this will be everyone else’s fault.
my radical and poorly regulated militia
Talk about fighting fire with fire!
Yup, not to say that my country is doing much better or anything, but looking over at the USA it’s almost comical how extremely clear their decline into fascism and decay is. It’d almost be funny if it weren’t so serious.
Unfortunately it’s not hard to see a future where the rest of the world have to fight a war against some future form of christiofascist white supremacist USA.
Not next year or the year after of course, but within my lifetime for sure. People forget how quickly some nations go from progressive and democratic to straight up Third Reich.
It takes a shockingly short amount of time once the slow burn has laid the ground work over the initial decades. The slow burn we’re watching now.
Yeah but this slow burn is already like ten years old. The fascists demand retribution for us daring to elect Obama. As soon as they saw the light at the end of that tunnel, they said never again.
If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy. (David Frum)
Against Christofascists sure. I don’t see any actual white supremacy coming out of the USA. It is far too blended of a country now. Everyone knows someone, is related to someone, or involved with someone of varying races. Our friends, our families, and our lovers are all races. Sure, there will be little hate groups still, but white people are quickly losing ground to non-whites, and the government is very inter-racial. Whites are already a minority in California, and set to become minorities nationwide by 2045.
But the Christofacism is a very real threat, and the US military is a monumental behemoth of monstrous proportions. Woe to all if the Christofascists gain unchecked power.
I got banned from a web forum in 2015 for calling Trump a fascist. This shit should not have been any sort of surprise to anybody paying attention.
It does happen in slow motion, and every single time, some people see it happening. They march and wave their arms shouting FASCISM! whilst their neighbours call them hyperbolic.
If you read contemporaneous accounts, you can feel the frustration.
Or… I thought I could feel the frustration, until recently (eta: if you haven’t read They Thought They Were Free by Milton Mayer, please do as soon as possible). Now it’s doubly frustrating. I keep wracking my brain, wondering what I can do that they didn’t. I can’t stop this, so I keep saying ‘if you were a German in the 1930s, knowing what you know now, what would you do?’
I don’t know the answer to that. I know many Germans saw it coming and couldn’t stop it.
What the fuck can we do? Because it is absolutely coming.
e: oh, and worse, trump isn’t actually the problem. He’ll likely lose, then everyone will high five that we’ve defeated The Problem, but Trump is just their carnival barker. He could die tomorrow and the threat wouldn’t change. There’s a solid fascist movement in the US and elsewhere that will not stop with trump’s defeat. There are thousands of them in high levels of the US government , and they’ll barely miss a beat without trump. He barely matters, and I’m afraid when he loses, the fascist movement behind this will find a wide opening.
I keep wracking my brain, wondering what I can do that they didn’t
These internal questions are what led to me finally realizing how powerless I really am. I can’t even convince my close personal friends to re-evaluate the batshit crazy things they learn online, let alone change the trajectory of a nation.
Not an answer, but food for thought: https://effectiveactivist.com/
They’re not even bothering with destroying things behind the scenes. They’re doing it right out in the open, because nobody has the teeth and cajones to stop them.
It’s too late.
Fascism isn’t something on the horizon. Look at what is happening in Idaho. Within a year or two half of the US states will have criminalized abortion, and all you hear from federal legislators is how important it is that we shovel more money we don’t have into other countries’ wars.
It’s over.
The only power you or I have left is in our immediate local communities, where you can still accomplish the general good.
Lol pick a candidate that is likely going to be in prison come election time! Geniuses!
Zero chance he is in prison by election day.
A man’s gotta have a dream
At this point the only things between Trump and a jail cell are:
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The courts must rule in the coming days (probably this month, Jan 2024) that Presidents are subject to criminal prosecution. We know Presidents are not subject to civil prosecution, but the courts are deciding about criminal prosecution now. (Trump argues it would be “bedlam” if Presidents were subject to the law).
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A jury decision in mid 2024. If that jury says “guilty”, it’s over, Trump is a convicted felon.
Oh, you mean the court that trump himself stacked in favor of the GOP? The same court that has voted along party lines in like 98% of their rulings? Impartial my ass!
Do you honestly believe there won’t be any stalling or controversy between now and mid-year that won’t delay it any further?
I don’t know. Once the courts rule he can be prosecuted, and the trial date is already set, I don’t know what other argument can be made to stall.
They don’t need a ruling to set a trial date. He isn’t the president anymore. He can be tried. The fact that they’re not is a symptom of a greater evil in our system.
Which means he can’t vote for himself.
Convicted felons can be president.
Trump may or may not eventually end up in prison, but it’s naïve after the past 8 years to assume that there are only two ways this could all shake out, and that you can predict them.
A possibility that will almost certainly be less absurd than whatever actually happens:
Trump wins a second term, manages to get the FedSoc 6 to rule that a sitting president can’t be imprisoned because it would violate separation of powers. So multiple states are just waiting for his term to end so they can actually arrest him. (Feds can’t arrest him because he has pardoned himself for all past, present, and future crimes)
Then in the last month of his presidency he takes a diplomatic trip to Russia and just never comes back.
I don’t mean there are 2 ways this can shake out. I mean there are 2 legal barriers in the way. Once the courts rule that Trump can be prosecuted, then the trial date is set for spring. The judge is motivated to hold to that trial date. The prosecutors have their evidence and arguments ready for the jury.
On the possibility of Trump pardoning himself, it’s not clear that a President can pardon himself and the supreme court would probably end up having to rule on that.
If Trump is a convicted felon, then he probably can’t get enough votes to win, but I don’t know, the cult is strong with this one.
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Most of the people I know who plan to vote for him think of that as a good thing. It’s the whole “drain the swamp” thing that he’s been rallying people behind for years; they think bad actors in the government are trying to hold Trump down, and him being in jail is just another attempt to do that - from their perspective, electing him even while he’s imprisoned would be a big “fuck you” to those bad actors.
It’s sad that they can’t see that Trump himself is the bad actor, but to most of them, Trump is their last hope to hold on to their beloved world of racism and misogyny, free of any “woke bullshit.” They’ll overlook anything he says or does at this point, since they don’t see any other way forward than through Trump.
I just don’t understand the appeal. Forget all of the gross shit he’s done over the years, the terrible and fraudulent business he’s conducted, he’s just gross period. Like standing there, sounding like a rambling lunatic, not finishing sentences, $10 spray tan, and ill fitting suit. How does that track as “wow what an amazing businessman!”
Yeah right. If he wins, he’s free. Shame on the justice department for not completing a single trial in FOUR FUCKING YEARS. Have they even started any of them? No way any of them are wrapped up before the election. The wheels of justice turn slowly. Yeah, yadda yadda yadda. They’re barely turning at all against this fat fucking loser.
His lawyers have run out pretty much every option to delay trials, although several judges have seemed pretty damn complicit as well. I get wanting to make sure the case is as airtight as possible, but…the people they’re worried about pissing off with a case that isn’t entirely formed, were just going to be pissed off anyway.
Judge Cannon seems pretty ok to impede any progress she possibly can.
There is almost no chance they are gonna lock him up. He could openly murder someone with his own hands, on stage, and he would still be able to run in the elections.
Unfortunately, I think you’re probably right. We keep seeing it over and over again. The judicial system continues to move slowly with as many delays and roadblocks as possible. When judgements are made, they are stayed during an appeal so they have no teeth. The farce of the Supreme Court will never let anything bad happen to their dear leader. They will delay, delay, delay until Trump is either reelected - in which case he’ll pardon himself. Or until a new president is elected in 2028. If it’s a Republican, they’ll pardon Trump on day 1. If it’s a Democrat, the Republicans in Congress will find some way to force a presidential pardon in order to keep the government funded or some other bullshit.
I think there’s a 0% chance Trump ever sees a single day in prison. Even if none of what I said above happens, he’d get a slap on the wrist at worst. I would LOVE to be proven wrong. But I’m not holding my breath.
Haven’t you heard? He’s the second coming of Christ and his cross is the US legal system.
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After decades of headlines like the one you just posted absolutely nothing has happened.
Trump is bulletproof and he knows it, and now, he doesn’t have to lie about how shitty his opponent in the race is.
You fucking jinxed it.
I heard that mentioned on MSNBC, 30% of the people who caucused for him say that they would not vote for him if he was convicted.
30% of the people who caucused for him are liars
Trying to prosecute him for his real crimes is honestly damaging the election chances of Biden, lots of voters with a vicarious persecution complex through Trump.
Isn’t the point of “conservatives” to tear everything down? Because then they just elected the right man for that.
That’s an accelerationist or a nihilist. If the status quo is pro-immigration and pro-LGBT rights, wanting to keep this status quo will make you a “conservative” because you want to conserve the status quo.
People love to harp about the good ole days
They’re reactionaries.
“Conservatives” haven’t wanted to conserve anything in a very long time. They want to prop up the rich with government subsidies, hurt the poor, control the women, and hopefully kill some sick people along the way. That’s a damned far sight from conserving traditional American values.
This though. People love to harp about the good ole days but leave out that the good ole days were good cause only cishet white men could participate in the economy
The problem is I actually see Trump winning by breaking every system in the process and the ramifications will be, well, bad
His followers were loyal enough to ransack the Capitol building, what would he have them do in the face of his conviction or disqualification?
Who cares? Let’s get it over with. Causing opposition to move fearfully has served these traitors for too long now. We will do the right thing, within the limits of the law. We will not allow fear to dictate how we respond to evil.
I think DeSantis might be even worse
Rhonda?
No, that’s Santis.
Damn you! Now that abominable song is stuck in my head and probably will be for the rest of the day! 🤦
Not possible. Desantis is too intelligent. No one can be like Trump. No one would risk being so immature and childish. Trump doesn’t risk it because he is that way naturally. Ramaswamy tried but he is a mature person trying to act like Trump which never works.
Trump’s stupidity is his saving grace. People think he’s the worst president we may have ever had. But people also fail to recognize the fact that Trump would never have gotten anything done, if not for Republican assistance. Trump is a clownish symptom. Not the problem. Republicans are the problem. And they have been ever since. FDR cut a deal with fascist Republicans back in the 1930s.
Someone strapping on a suicide vest would be a more appropriate image.
Yeah, it’s not just his supporters who will get hurt if he gets power again
Honestly, picking Trump again is a good thing for the rest of us. We know he can lose and because of the last presidential election and his base is just getting smaller.
It’s not like any Republican is a good candidate. All of them think abortion is a crime and will appoint shit supreme court justices. So give me the one I know loses because they lost before.
None of the other candidates had a chance at winning. That is not the same as Trump having a chance at losing.
I think he is implying that trump has already lost an election.
As long as everyone who voted before votes again it’s just the same result because neither candidate is running on anything new.
Except Bidens base is also getting smaller. The whole funding a genocide thing isn’t exactly winning him any supporters.
He’s not funding a “genocide thing”. The US has subsidized Israel for decades. Not yanking all of our support because they responded to a terrorist attack on their civilian population is not the same as “funding a genocide thing”.
To clear up my initial comment.
…the whole “funding a genocide” thing…
Also yes, imprisoning a civilian population in a location and then bombing that location is genocide. They are clearly and deliberately exterminating civilians. The fact that we didn’t remove all support the instant they started doing that is appalling.
Also before you even start with the whole “hamas is using the cavilians as human shields.” Yes, they are. But that doesn’t mean Israels solution of “kill them all and let god sort them out” is remotely acceptable.
But that doesn’t mean Israels solution of “kill them all and let god sort them out” is remotely acceptable.
I completely agree with you there. The whole situation is fucked up, and neither side is making any effort to take the high road. I get that the hamas doesn’t have that luxury, being underdog rebels and all, but it’s not like their goals are benevolent either. One of their stated goals is the complete destruction of Israel, and the Jews. Israel, being the well armed and well funded nation, should be taking steps to respond in an ethical manner, but they’re sinking to the goals of their enemies. Or maybe those were always their goals anyways, and the hamas attack gave them an excuse. I don’t pretend to be an expert on Israel Hamas relations. I just don’t think that Biden can be judged too harshly for not immediately yanking decades of history with Israel. For one, if the US stops supporting Israel, Israel will likely cease to exist shortly afterwards. Anyways, I’m going way off the original topic, so I apologize for that. The overall point I’m trying to make is that I agree with you, but acknowledge the complexity of the situation.
What a fucking disgusting comment
It’s almost like Israel and the US are strategic allies and would help each other no matter who the president was.
If you’re .ml I’m sure you’ll downvote this. I’d be mad if reality was in staunch opposition to my narrative too.
Is that why this zionist piece of shit went as far as to bypass congress so Israel could get its weapons to commit genocide faster?
You are partially right; the nation built on slavery and imperialism will indeed continue to support colonialism until its capitalist government is overthrown entirely, but an openly zionazi pos like Biden makes that support even worse, as we can already see with the ongoing genocide.
I’d be mad if reality was in staunch opposition to my narrative
Ig you should indeed be mad then.
My narrative is as follows:
Blah blah fucking blah, america has always been an imperialist shit-hole. Slavery and nonsensical governing since the start. Are you shocked by this?
Are you shocked allies back each other? Did you make this same complaint before October 7th or are you just another bandwagon moral-elitist?
Do you think I’m championing this behavior by stating facts? You’re delusional mate.
Imagine being such a fucking loser that all you can think of in response to that is basically “nuh uh”. You could only come up with adding “Blah blah fucking blah” to that? What a child lmao
Are you shocked allies back each other?
Read the comment you’re replying to.
Did you make this same complaint before October 7th
Yes, as did anyone with half a braincell. Evidently you’re not one of them though.
Do you think I’m championing this behavior by stating facts?
Refer to the facts in the comment you’re replying to.
You’re delusional mate
Yeah, you clearly are.
I’m judging bases on data about ages and death. You’re judging bases on feelings from social media.
Biden BARELY beat him the first time around and conditions are WORSE this time around:
1: The electorate has a ridiculously short memory and aren’t currently suffering from Trump being president.
2: Related to but distinct from 1, Biden’s main strategy of “at least I’m not the other guy” is much less effective for an incumbent than a challenger.
3: Biden is currently alienating a large part of his own base by supporting two seperate genocides (Gaza and Yemen), one of which Democrats actually care about even when there’s a Dem president.
Don’t get me wrong, I REALLY want him to win since he’s by far the lesser evil, but for the above reasons and others, there’s a significant risk of him actually losing if the traitor isn’t disqualified as he should be
Biden won by nearly 7 million votes with a 62% of votes under 30 years old and 52% under 45 years old.
Actually the only age group he didn’t win with was 65+ and they’re the ones dropping faster and faster each month.
So you’re assuming people will take Trump over Biden because he was involved in genocide when he was involved in 8 years of drone strike champion before he ran in 2020.
He won the popular vote by a smaller percentage of votes cast than Hillary and the Dem candidate winning the sub-45yo vote is pretty much a given. In most elections, it would be by much more.
As for the 65+ group, a lot of fascists and people who don’t consider fascism more of a deal breaker than a (D) behind a name are aging into that group, perhaps as many as are dying off.
And no, I’m not assuming anything. I’m pointing out that there’s a big risk of the pro-democracy candidate losing if he and the rest of the DNC don’t stop thinking that “Not Trump” is enough and start listening to what the public wants.
I don’t know how to explain to you that you just agreed with me.
You agree that young people vote dem
You agree old people are dying off
But you think Dems will be held accountable by voters by electing a worse candidate for them just to spite the Dems? .
People will take the best option they are provided and 2020 had the highest voter turnout since 1900 for sleepy creepy Joe.
You obviously have a lot more faith in the rationality of voters than I do, in spite of the whole gestures at entire world thing.
In stead of pointing out details, I’m just gonna hope that your faith will be rewarded in a little under 11 months and wish you a nice day.
“I don’t have an argument, but I can’t handle being wrong, so I wrote this to ensure the safety of my ego”
Things are not worse. Life for the average American is significantly better now than it was in 2020. I guess everyone’s already forgotten the shambles our society was in during the 2020 election?
Good thing the DNC is picking a totally reasonable and non controversial candidate for the Democrats. Definitely not a straight up genocide supporter.
Trump is a genocide enjoyer, he goes way beyond supporting it.
Despite genocide being bad, Biden supporting it doesn’t directly affect Americans. It’s still more of a self-own for the Republicans.
You kids need a new bit. This isn’t working like you think it is.
Honestly, if you’re a republican, Trump is the only pic. I’m no fan of Republicans, but this is clearly the Republican party punching the Republican populace in the face.
Honestly, if you’re a republican, Trump is the only pic.
Why?
You haven’t been paying much attention to the Republican party as of late, have you? “Circle the wagons and toe the line” has been their schtick for a while now.
Best polling to beat Biden. If you want to win or to get conservative laws passed, that is the way. Last time Trump was president, he put in a bunch of conservative judges, he has a track record.
Biden only won because he ran against Trump. Put Biden up against an even half-way reasonable Republican and he’s toast.
I don’t disagree, which Republican candidate has better polling than Trump?
Honestly this is just liberal strongman politics.
Please learn to identify and complain about the things that are actually increasing fascism and not just be like “bad people might make the country bad if they’re in charge” Trump is a symptom not the disease.
You still need to treat symptoms
And if you only treat symptoms, what happens?
Also no, in many cases you do not have to treat symptoms, and it can be damaging to do so. It’s not a good extension of the metaphor.
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Great, another ‘absolute’. I wish you could discuss in good faith.
.ml consistency lmao
What, in your opinion, is actually increasing fascism if not Trump?
As empires collapse imperial violence turns inward. For a more in depth analysis I would read anticolonial theory or Marxist analysis of Nazi germany, like “economy and class structure of german fascism”
So…threatening to retaliate against those who didn’t vote for him last election? Removing rights from various classes of people? Those kinds of things?
Yes those are all indications of colonial violence turned inward.
Hmmmm
It’s possible to be more than one thing driving fascism.
In the absence of a general worker uprising to bring about revolution (this isn’t going to happen before the election) stopping Trump is a fine alternative to stem fascism.
We know that fascists need a charismatic leader with unquestionable authority (Trump) may as well cut that head off the snake now.
Does that stop capitalist interests? No, their money and power is still there but it at least won’t be manifesting through a dictator.
Capitalist interests have operated just fine without a dictator.
I mean we don’t have a dictator and we’re involved in killing tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians over the course of a month. Even if Trump is never elected again we keep sliding into fascism, and liberalism doesn’t really have a response to that besides to join in.
This is just American voters in general every single election. Vote red. Vote blue. Doesn’t matter. It just keeps getting worse.
BoTh SiDeS!!1!!!1
It’s all one side. I know fans of each party like to twist themselves in knots to find daylight between them but outside of the culture war nonsense & which brand of idpol they subscribe to, the distance between them has only gotten smaller with every passing election in my lifetime.
The supposed solution to trump and the gop (who was labeled a dangerous madman that would get us into ww3) was to elect Biden and the Democrats
What has happened since?
- Provoke Russia
- Provoke China
- Provoke Iran
- Arm Nazis in Ukraine
- Aid “Israel” in their genocide
All while their own citizens continue to struggle with basics like food & shelter.
Will republicans be happy to continue all of these? 100%. But let’s not pretend there’s some grand meaningful difference between them unless your most important issues fall within the category of the culture war in which case you must be doing pretty well.
If you actually compared the policy positions of both parties around foreign policy, taxation, healthcare, education, gun control… the list goes on – you would know that this argument is disingenuous at best.
Arm Nazis in Ukraine
The Russian special forces was called Wagner after Hitler’s favorite musician.
The Z emblem of Russian forces is part of a Russian swastika motif that their military wears.
Russia used Hitler named units and swastika patches on their uniforms while calling the defenders Nazis. That’s crazy.
At least one of the parties isn’t trying to wipe LGBT people off the map. What you call “culture war nonsense” is a very real threat to those affected by the hundreds upon hundreds of legislation being proposed and passed every year
We could vote for things to actually get better, but mostly throw our votes away on worse instead.
inb4 “clearly you don’t get the myopic logic that brought us here”
What a hyperbole. This two party thing has only been going on for 150 years. If Biden wins next time everything is going to be fixed trust.
Haha still a 1000x better chance than if we get trump the Genocide Supporter ©
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