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Your boss did not give you vacation days. Your government/union did.
That’s not strictly true. In the US there is in most states NO requirements for paid leave outside of a few protected types. But not vacation or sick. And we also are largely not unionized. We still have time off albeit MUCH less than Europeans and such.
Though I’d argue the norm of having any paid time off is a byproduct of labor/union battles in the past.
We’re given just enough scraps to avoid mass unionization. That’s because the last time it happened we got The New Deal. This time it’ll be the Economic Bill of Rights. The leftist platform hasn’t changed for 80 years.
Would be nice if there were more voices calling for democracy in the workplace. That would change so many things and make concentration of wealth and political corruption much more difficult.
Where did they say they were from the US?
Nowhere, but they said it as though it was a universal truth and I provided an example to the contrary.
Guys, he’s from the US.
How the fuck is sick leave not protected. Y’all Americans need to be rioting over that shit. That’s wild
I’d say you earned them as part of the agreed compensation in exchange for your work. That way you also cover circumstances where there’s no union, and no government requirement, but the employer still offers PTO to be competitive with other employers. Which theoretically could also be driven by other people’s unions or governments, but then that would be indirect.
Besides which, regardless of how the arrangement came to be, you earned your PTO.
Bullshit, neither are true for most people in the US.
Tell me you work in the US without telling me you work in the US.
Not calling you out specifically, but I see this phrase everywhere and don’t understand its popularity. It would be more concise and equally “clever” to just say “Sounds like this guy works in the US”. What is the appeal that everyone keeps typing this?
AFAIK it’s been a challenge some people did on… twitter I think?
Basically it’s “Tell me you’re XYZ without telling me you’re XYZ” and people responded with funny answers.
At some point that got turned around and people satrted to use that sencence structure to indicate that the thing they are commenting on would have been a great answer for that challenge.Thanks yeah, I’ve seen that sort of thread. If anything in this particular case it would make more sense if the comment was “tell me what country you’re from without telling me what country you’re from.”
Tell me you don’t get memes without telling me you doing get memes…
Memes gonna meme.
Regurgitating memes isn’t about being concise or clever lol
It may be coming from those popular AskReddit threads, such as: Tell me what you do for a living without telling what you do for a living.
It’s a colloquialism of Internet denizens that I’ve seen floating around for many years. In fact it’s somewhat baffling to me that you haven’t seen it until now.
I was saying I see it everywhere?
Right, my bad. I guess I’m hinting at your comment needing a bit of a massage until it says what you mean. My suspicion is you actually just don’t like the turn of phrase, not that you don’t get why it’s used, right? Which is perfectly fine yo.
Hell, the way you phrased not liking something as "not getting it’ and yor statement just now with the “?” At the end of it are both standard interwebby colloquialisms.
Not fighting, just saying
Well like other people were saying, there’s a trend of people posting this prompt, and then others responding with funny answers. You’re right, I don’t like it when people use the same formulation in response to a comment. I also don’t get why people are doing it, for the same reason: I don’t think it’s funny, and it doesn’t really add anything to the conversation.
Usually memes are funny because there’s a familiar pattern and then people riff on the pattern and make little unexpected tweaks. The type of usage I don’t like and don’t get is when people are just saying “you’re this” in a more wordy way. It has the form of a joke with no punchline.
I get what you’re saying bout the repetitiveness of the way people communicate. Someone it can feel like a bunch of LLMs slapping together the same 10-15 lines together to mimic speech.
I attemt to say things in different ways and have a “voice” you can hear to fight this repetitiveness, and out of sheer boredom towards the ways things are commonly said. THAT said I’m “guilty” of using memespeech too, and if course it can be clever shorthand to convey feeling if used properly.
Dunno where I’m going with this but i do feel ya.
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Why did you type out “what is” when “what’s” is shorter and as clear?
and did you really need that “just” in there?
My current boss is by far the best one I’ve ever had.
It’s me.
I’ve also got a great employee. That’s me as well.
Any good office pranks?
I wouldn’t know. My office moves on 4 wheels and is full of tools. She’s the one pulling the pranks on me and they’re never good - just expensive.
FunkFPV, is that you?
Kidding. Sounds like you’re still mostly winning though, good on ya.
Same. Technically I report to someone at the company I contract with but mostly that’s just to let them know when I’ll be in and when I won’t.
I’ve heard from friends who are self employed that this is a double edged sword. When you have an employer and take vacation, it feels like you’ve earned it and are taking time off at the expense of your employer. But when you’re self employed it feels like you’re just not getting paid.
One of my friends didn’t take any time off for something like 5 years before realizing how incredibly bad that was for him.
Are these people related? I smell nepotism
I’m currently at my best job, and it’s because I have a union who can tell the boss to fuck himself for me.
Yeah but the sexual harassment never stops!
I’ve got 9 weeks of vacation saved up, and I must take it you say?
Ok, I’ll see you in 9 weeks!
What do you mean, 9 week is too long to be gone? Make up your mind!
In my younger days I witnessed this conversation
Guy was basically Brent (if you know you know) for a huge project. So on the 2st of Dec our boss phoned him and said he had 4 weeks to take before jan 1st. Brent’s responce was cool see you next year and was told no I can’t let you do that
We just looked at eacother in total amused confusion
Was it me? Because I had that conversation back in '10 or '11. I ended up taking most of it off then took off the rest after the project “off the books” (but with an email paper trail because I’ve been burned before).
Maybe. Did you move to Germany a couple years later?
Sadly I did not. I have visited but I was only there a few weeks to have beer and bratwurst.
I’m starting to think that there are a lot of managers who demand the impossible.
I get 5 sick days a year. I can roll over sick days, allowing up to 13 sick days a year. If I use more that 2 in a row, I need a doctors note. If I use 5 sick days in a row I forfeit my bonus pay for that month. Fuck me right?
You should know better than to get sick!
I’ll never understand this. I regularly encourage my staff to use their PTO and only deny requests if multiple people want overlapping days. Even then, if we can rearrange the schedule to make it work, we will.
This is the way
I go so far as to get all involved parties together and discuss to see who has the greatest need. I also make a point of trying to make the person who doesn’t get have as easy a time as possible on their next request.
It would supprise you how often the reason for the holiday is meh got to use em before the end of the year
Meanwhile I fear stress with my boss after coming back from vacation. Because I have not planned enough vacation days this year yet.
Government job I had gave 10 sick days a year. Use or lose. I’d do extended weekends. Boss said he’d noticed a pattern of me calling in sick on Fridays. Well duh. Started alternating Mondays. He gave up.
In a perfect societ, we would have paid and unpaid leave instead of sick leave
With the US is it the vacation rules are mostly not required. Many states have different rules, and the more conservative the state, the more anti worker the rules are.
And all the jobs I’ve worked, I’ve never seen any pushback for taking vacation. But that’s because I work in a white collar industry that is competitive and I can find another job if I wanted to. The less skilled you are, and the lower the opportunities are in the industries around you, the more opportunity exists for shitty employers.
The interesting thing is, that I currently work for a Scottish company, and their vacation rules are worse than mine because I am guided by California labor laws, and they’re under shitty UK labor laws.
Whats shitty about UK labour laws vs californian?
The main difference from a vacation standpoint is that the vacation days are allocated per calendar year, and must all be used in that calendar year. You’re given x amount on January 1st and they must all be used by December 31st.
In California, vacation days are treated as an accruing asset. They can’t reset my vacation days at the turnover of a calendar year . The vacation hours build up over time. This means there’s not an end of the year rush to use vacation days, there is no use it or lose it, and if I’m ever laid off the company has to pay me for all the vacation days I’ve accrued. The California system is a much better system than the one the employees have in Scotland.
I think that may be a company policy rather than a legal policy. I work for a scottish company in scotland where I am a union rep. My holiday year follows the financial year (april 1 - march 31st) and secondly I do not lose holiday hours that I don’t take - that would be wage theft. In theory I can rollover holidays indefinitely but if I worked for a company that did not allow this, the company in question would effectively have to buy any unspent holiday hours from me. There is no use it or lose it, theres use it for time off or be paid for it.
Out of curioisity how many holiday days do you get per year?
It’s absolutely a company policy, but in California it’s not legal to have a policy like that. The whole idea that you must use all your holidays every calendar year is stupid. Having a policy where if you haven’t used all your vacation days by December 31st, you lose it, is stupid.
That would be stupid I agree, but also not how it works in the UK or California either - according to CAs labour law website, the law there regarding holiday/vacation accrual is no different than the UK:
“California law does not permit “use it or lose it” vacation policies. Vacation accruals may be capped, but may not be forfeited. Therefore, unused, accrued vacation must be paid out at the end of employment”
Since you didn’t answer my last question I looked it up, California has no legal minimum number of vacation days? That’s grim as fuck and completely shoots down your “California labour laws are better than UK” where the legal minimum number of vacation days is 28 per year.
I say minimum because almost no employer here offers the minimum (who would want to work for someone offering 4 weeks of holiday when other employers offer 5 or 6? Shit man last year I ended up with slightly more than 7 weeks off.
Since I was looking into it, I noticed a number of ways that California labour laws are inferior to the ones I enjoy:
- theres no minimim number of hours before I am legally entitled to overtime, anything over my contracted 35 hours is paid as overtime (and any overtime is completely voluntary)
- 28 weeks of paid sick leave
- no “at will” employment, I cannot be terminated for no reason
I’m sure there are more but I’ve seen enough now to convince me that the labour laws in CA are hugely inferior to those in the UK.
The US tends to suck for many things worker related, I wasn’t arguing about all the different policies. However, I double checked, all our Scottish employees have a “use it or lose it” rule on vacation days. They must use all their vacation days per calendar year. They get their vacation days on Jan 1st and if they don’t use them by Dec 31st, they lose them. This is also the model the other employees have in the US, with the exception of the two of use who live in California where that type of policy is illegal.
Since you must know, I get 20 days of vacation a year plus all federal holidays (11 days). I don’t get sick days, they come out of my vacation days. However I’m a high value employee and you’re comparing me against the blue collar workers in Scotland. I believe they get either 15 or 20 vacation days per year and I don’t really know about their sick day program. I hate the calendar “use it or lose it” vacation day plan and I think the California rules are much better.
