A more nuanced version of this is, if you live in a state that has 0% chance of swinging, feel free to do a protest vote. Voting for Jill Stein or write in Bernie Sanders in California or Wyoming will not change anything, on the other hand if you do funny votes in Pennsylvania or Georgia you are worse than MAGA people.
Politicians will always disappoint you. There will always be things left undone, done poorly, or done in a way you disagree with. Everybody needs to get used to this and learn we vote for the least bad, not the most good.
The only politician who won’t disappoint you on every issue is yourself. Run for office. No joke. Use your rights. Vote. Speak. Run for office.
Not using those rights is functionally the same as not having them.
I doubt that. My dad got elected to a town council and was pretty disappointed about what the system let him accomplish.
Can you explain more?
One really good example is the stroad that’s preventing good bike infrastructure. The roads that are managed by the township have bike lanes - even if they’re not separated - but the stroad is a state route, so we have no bike lanes on the main connection between these lanes, and limited pedestrian infrastructure.
This is why we have kids getting bussed to the school that’s across the road from their house.
So how is that situation an argument against people running for office? Like jobs are meant to be challenging and work, it’s not like being elected then grants you a magic wand to seamlessly solve issues.
Because it sounds even more frustrating than just voting for someone.
It’s not about frustrating or trolling people though. It’s about seizing power granted to you by law
Politicians will always disappoint you. There will always be things left undone, done poorly, or done in a way you disagree with. Everybody needs to get used to this
Why?
Why does everyone have to get used to and just blindly accept that the system is shit and doesn’t serve them or make their lives any better?
Why are you so comfortable settling for so little?
Why don’t you want better for yourself, and worse, think you get to demand the same of others?
(I don’t need your answers, these are all for you and those who agree with you to ask yourselves)
Cuz it’s democracy. If you wanted someone to be in office who would get everything done with no obstacles no roadblocks and no delays then you wouldn’t be looking at democracy you’d want a dictator. You can want that if you want but just be honest about it.
Lmfao, except you don’t have democracy. You have oligarchy and kleptocracy and plutocracy. You also don’t have a government that is “getting everything done without obstacles”, but pretty much the literal fucking opposite. The fact that the only alternative you can imagine to the current (non democratic, slipping in to fascism) state of affairs is a dictatorship is a problem with your lack of imagination and narrow view of the world (though granted, you were heavily indoctrinated that way), not a reflection of reality, nor the array of other ways that society can not only exist, but thrive.
There was good reason I told you people to ask yourselves these questions - you are the ones standing in your own way with your insistence of living according to a full blown fallacy because you’re just comfortable enough with the way things are, and are too scared of change, specifically no longer holding the privileges the current system grants you in exchange for your compliance, and the idea that you might not have anyone to feel superior to.
Until you’re willing and able to face that within yourself, I can’t help you, nor am Interested in hearing the mental gymnastics you do to justify your actively maintaining the status quo. ¯\(ツ)/¯
You have oligarchy and kleptocracy and plutocracy.
none of these are accurate, except for maybe plutocracy.
Gerontocracy would be more accurate.
It’s fundamentally not an oligarchy, that’s just not true. Trump didn’t do fuck all during his term for this exact reason. It’s obviously not a kleptocracy, unless you have like, actual proof of this. Trump being a good one, but that’s not a historical precedent.
If Trump did nothing then why are people so scared of him winning the election?
How do you figure we don’t have an Oligarchy? There is more than just the executive branch of our government by the way. There’s also the Legislative, Judicial, and Black Rock.
If Trump did nothing then why are people so scared of him winning the election?
because a leader that does nothing is an ineffectual leader. You want a leader that does something not nothing.
this also ignores the part where he tried to like, overthrow democracy, and ruin the government, but nobody likes to talk about that part.
How do you figure we don’t have an Oligarchy?
an oligarchy would be something like russia, The US as you said has multiple branches, the executive being the most front facing. You’ve got the judicial and legislative branches as well. The legislative branch (congress) is literally made up of hundreds of people. People that WE vote in.
black rock is also not a branch of the government, they’re a private investment firm.
With citizens united, don’t you think it’s relevant that campaigns can accept large amounts of money? Like voters can see endless ads of one candidate if they have enough money. Campaigns can hire PIs to dig up dirt and air it. Money in a capitalist country confers power.
Because people in office are individuals and morality is relatively subjective. The only politician who will do everything you want and believe everything you believe is yourself. Run for office.
Right, as if the system isn’t very deliberately designed to withstand reform and will not hesitate to weaponize every tool it has at its disposal (from the courts to the media to the police and the other alphabet agencies) to assure no leftist ever actually makes it in to a position of real power (not that we would want to, since we believe the state should be abolished, not joined, for precisely the reason stated above).
For the however many’th time, you die hard liberals can tell yourselves as many fairy tales you want to make yourself feel better, it won’t change the reality - the system is not designed to serve you, but to keep you placated with nothing but an illusion of choice. Those with power and money wrote the rules, what on earth, and at this point in time with history unfolding right in front of our eyes as it is, again, makes you think that following those rules will ever work in your favour?
“I have high standards, I’d rather have my clothes covered in dog shit than put on a non-Gucci article of clothing.”
How’s them standards going for you when you’re now covered in shit?
single issues voters would rather be consuming literal dogshit than see their issue unresolved
How much dogshit do I have to eat to end genocide in Palestine? I’ll do it.
i called it
They revel in being covered in shit. Then they call you the real filth for not covering yourself in shit.
In other words, not unlike Republicans.
You joke but they legit just are republicans who insist they’re leftists because they’re wearing a coat of red paint over that shit.
Like 9/10 times they’re some bougie white kid who never experiences the difference between republican and democratic governance first hand because they’re privileged and insulated from it, and also they’re tied to people who do nothing but complain about how awful democrats are and they refuse to do any unlearning beyond just saying they aren’t bigots anymore.
No, she isn’t. What needs to be said is that she presents far less danger for our country than Trump does. It really sucks having two candidates you don’t like, but for the sake of integrity, you have to always choose what you believe is the lesser of two evils.
Douche and Turd Sandwich, every last time. Does get a little old.
Hoping to be pleasantly surprised by Harris once she doesn’t have to pander to the “center” - and I say “center” because anyone considering voting for Trump in the first place is not in the “center” and if they are, we’re worse off than I realized.
Hoping to be pleasantly surprised by Harris once she doesn’t have to pander to the “center”
Nothing I’ve seen while she’s been in office suggests she’s going to be anything but a Mitt Romney tier corporate hack.
She’s got a rich and eager pool of progressive voters to court - voters she was happy to pander to back in 2020 - who she has spurned since she became VP. She’s taken an outright reactionary stance on immigration. She’s abandoned any support of a public health insurance option. She’s all in on genocide in Gaza. She’s taking enormous amounts of money from Crypto banks and gig economy CEOs. She got an endorsement from Dick fucking Cheney, so you can guess where she stands on fossil fuels.
But she’s not Trump, so…
Pretty typical of left leaning voters. Lots of issues, lots of arguing, very little in the way of coming together. Give the Right one thing: They will come together to fuck you over.
The left wing circular firing squad
We can change the Dems and push them towards actually being good by just uncritically voting for them every election I see no flaw in this plan.
Not to mention showing up for the primaries too.
It fucking mystifies me that people will condemn the dems for never voting for progressives in primaries, and then just never turn out to the primaries themselves.
Primary turnout is consistently pathetic and an abject condemnation of the wannabe revolutionaries who speak with fire then act with all the likewise energy of cosmic background radiation.
“I don’t understand what a primary is”, the voter.
Let me check who I could’ve voted for Dem presidential candidate this year in the primaries. Here’s the list:
Oh I should’ve voted in 2020? I could’ve chose between:
- Biden (no)
- Bernie “Israel has every right to defend itself” Sanders
- Bloomberg (lmao)
“Bernie Sanders isn’t pure enough for me” Jesus fucking Christ.
Like, how left do you think the electorate in this country is, exactly?
I’m 40yrs old. I voted for Hillary. I HATE the democrats, I HATE the republicans. Not once in 40yrs have they successfully reduced the budget, the closest was Clinton and we see how that turned out “erry budy gets a chek instead of healthy deflation”, both parties have ruled during severe drops in quality of living standards, both parties have to destroyed peoples lives with the failed war on drugs. Both parties are the finger puppets for the 1%. I refuse to play their game, we lose no matter what. Vote for your drug war baron that got famous for arresting people for marijuana possession. Vote for your conman that ruins small businesses by refusing to pay for their services. Both think you’re an idiot, and they can’t wait until your turn to be vulnerable to them. But sure, by not voting for the douche you are supporting the turd sandwich, in the same way by not getting a diesel gas car your supporting electric vehicles.
I understand why you and many other people are extremely reluctant to vote/against voting in this election. But I feel your analogy is incorrect.
By not voting for the
douchebloodthirsty democrat you are supporting theturd sandwichfascist and (more) bloodthirsty republican, in the same way that not pulling the lever is supporting the death of more people on the train tracks.Not buying diesel/gas car =/= inherent passive support for electric in any way, but in a two party system, in an election like this one, not voting, or not voting democrat directly increases
pedestrian train deathsthe odds of america falling to a fascist party with a plan. You can vote * and still protest, petition, and riot against the policies you dont like.
You could make this meme replacing Harris with Trump in the text and replacing Trump with Harris in the pictures and it would be exactly as true, which is to say, not.
It’s the GOP that increases their chance of winning the fewer voters vote. They actively try to suppress voters. The more people that vote the higher chance the democrats win
Regardless, not voting or voting third party is not a vote for either major party’s candidate, as the meme implies.
I’m still going to tick the Kamala box, but I’m ashamed of how little she’s trying to be a good candidate. After Nov4, I’ll get going with direct action.
What specifically do you think she should do better on?
Main issue for most people is the fact that she’s not trying harder to stop Israel from killing Palestinians.
people need to get over the israel/palestine thing. they’re going to kill each other. there’s nothing you can do about it. your precious conscience is not the most important thing in the world. if you get bogged down on one issue, you will miss the bigger issue.
Man you must really be angry at the rest of world too right? I mean at least her team is working for a cease fire, that’s more than the rest of the world is doing. Or are you pushing some form of narrative?
Oh and I’m sure your response will have something to say about dems not doing anything, need to cut funding, ect. I’ll say there’s a 10 year weapons contract that was signed in 2016. Then you’ll bring up the Leahy Law, then I’ll bring up without Israel Iran will run roughshot over the middle east killing loads of people.
Then we can go back and forth, I’ll ask two questions, you’ll answer one of them with some bullshit.
So, you can save it, I’ll leave it as it is and I’ll continue to be disgusted with Israel and the world by not stepping up and stopping the genocide. You can keep posting bullshit about it being the dems fault.
I was just answering a question with information I have gathered reading comments around here. Even the way I phrased it didn’t really include myself. Not sure why you inferred that I was so angry. If anything, your response is angry.
You’re ok dude. It sounds like this guy/gal has had similar conversations and was frustrated by them. Understandable on both sides.
That is true, there’s a lot of bad actors here that you can’t mention what they really are or you’ll catch a ban. He/she looked liked one. If you ask these actors more than one question they consistently will use quotes and only answer one question, then spew their bullshit, It’s the “tell”. My frustration is with the mods that see this shit, see the reports, and do nothing.
I’d be voting PSL if I got a vote at all
