I see a pattern in the recent news stories and on-the-ground footage coming out from these raids. We’ll get into that later. The first step in real change is to make sure you educate yourself.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/37036691

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    Since this post didn’t care to provide the details:

    https://realestate.news/news/the-real-estate-battle-behind-the-contentious-south-shore-ice-raid-30139

    https://cwbchicago.com/2025/10/report-city-knew-of-squalid-unsafe-conditions-at-south-shore-apartments-before-immigration-raid.html

    ICE is using an Illinois law loophole from January 1st to remove squatters (which is their heuristic for non-citizen) and violate everyone’s rights. Since I doubt they verified anyone’s citizenship beforehand this is really some fucking sloppy dystopian shit.

    But on the other hand, Wells Fargo does have a financial incentive to reclaim their property if payments aren’t being made, if the building fails code multiple months in a row, and if it’s being used as a slum. They’re just allying with fascists to expedite the process.

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      So residents paid rent like they were supposed to. Building owner and bank were in legal dispute over payments / insurance price. Some apartments apparently had squatters. Everybody gets arrested by ICE. Did I understand it correctly?

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    U.S. citizens were also detained during the raid due to safety reasons, saying “we generally don’t determine alienage while in the building,” adding, “no rights have been violated today.”

    YOU ARE VERY CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT “RIGHTS” ARE, YOU FASCIST COCKBOIL.

    Supreme Court says merely handcuffing compliant children is a violation of their rights. Why were they zip tied and dragged out? Why was ANY civilian pulled out of their domicile without warrant or compelling reason?

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      The supreme court also said ICE could abduct anyone they want as long as they looked illegal. The constitution doesn’t matter anymore.

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      You don’t even have to go to Supreme Court cases. It’s on an even earlier page.

      “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

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    That building at 7500 S South Shore Drive actually has architectural significance. Built in 1950, all the corner windows wrap around framelessly, allowing nearly unobstructed views of Lake Michigan across the street; one of the first buildings in the nation to implement such window framing. Unfortunately, in 2011 Mayor Daley allowed a school to be built on park land across the street, which blocked the view of Lake Michigan from east-facing windows. I believe losing the lake view is what caused the building to lose prime renters and spiral into subprime building condition it was in at the time of the raid.

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    It’s all about real estate with the rich. Netanyahu, Trump, all of this is so they can get land.

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        As someone who occasionally works with water rights and ditch shares you are 100% right. I bet within a decade there will be a town or municipality that can’t provide water to it’s citizens/customers.

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          actually, Flint Michigan and several other places in Michigan and Wisconsin have lethal amounts of lead in their water

          and the damage done by fracking in the middle of the mainland of the US is still a thing. I don’t know if the water there is still flammable, but I know it’s still not safe to drink

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            Yes. And also Red Hill HI water can send you to the hospital from washing your hands and Jackson MS has been on-and-off boil notice for three years. I’m not talking about turning on the tap and contaminated water coming out. I’m talking about nothing coming out. I’m talking about water providers not being able to fill their tanks and reservoirs. I’m talking about the Ogallala being depleted to the point of not being able to replenish.

            I’m not talking about millions of dollars fixing water mains and treatment plants to fix. I’m talking trillions of dollars for pipelines to carry water across state lines to fix.

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      Is there a source for the motion for receivership? That seems important to verify.

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    'Murica is a broken country

    It was always thus

    It was founded on cruelty and theft and not a single fucking thing has changed

    The myth that yanks are sold from birth is looked on by the civilised world with horror

    It was never about freedom or opportunity. The 'Murican dream was only for a select, privileged few at the expense of the many

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      America’s forebears were so reviled that they were chased off a continent. Assholery is literally ingrained in our culture

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        I mean the founding fathers where litterally rich people who didn’t want to pay taxes. And the rich are still like that. America fictionalizes their founding.

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          Do you remember the story of the Mayflower? Bunch of Puritans who got kicked out of Europe for their religious beliefs? That happened 150 years before the Revolution and the founding of the country. We were assholes looong before we were rich people who did everything we could to avoid paying our share of taxes. By the time the founding fathers were born, we were hitting our asshole stride.

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    I’d be very interested to see the full details of that story.

    things cost money. And even though the prices of goods and rent need to be lower and are only going higher because they can. I don’t think a large police presence with full riot gear would’ve been dispatched if there wasn’t any worry about encountering violent criminals there

    have you seen some of these places in big cities? How the people act? Seriously watch some police body cam videos that were taken in big cities. It’s getting really scary in the big cities in the US

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      I used to live a few blocks away from Oppenheimer Park in Vancouver, on East Hastings, while the occupation was happening. I saw people openly injecting at 1am while I walked home from work. Worst that happened was being asked for money. Mostly? They just said “Hi,” and “Good morning.”

      Yeah, it looks bad when folks are drunk and on drugs in the open, but those people have nowhere else to go. Cops kept raiding and shutting down the independent harm reduction sites set up to keep the worst of it off the streets. No kidding people attack the police, I don’t blame them.

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      People afraid of “big cities” are fucking pussy ass cowards who don’t know a fucking thing about the world they live in. Cloistered babies, ignorant as fuck. Get out more.

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      Police body cam footage on youtube or tv is not going to show you two pleasant neighbors supporting each other, nor the local park with families having little parties and the kids playing together in the space between.

      Don’t be convinced it’s a hellhole living in Big City, it can be nice and there’s no money in showing that.

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      I had this discussion with a former coworker. There’s selection bias in those videos. They are available because they are interesting, not because the are representative of a normal cop’s day to day experience.

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      US police are highly militarised even when not needed. Small towns have fucking tanks. I think they just like showing their authority.

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      Dems receive tons of AIPAC money, you think Israel pays people who don’t materially support them? You think AIPAC is a fucking charity? Or is supporting a genocide only bad when the other team does it?

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      “Helping a genocide should not be a dealbreaker, just shut up and vote for the party who literally contributed to the rise of Trump because they refused to listen to their base and handled the Republicans with literal fucking kid gloves and are currently led by a schmuck that won’t stop capitulating to Trump and wanting “bipartisanship” even tho the Republicans literally want them dead!”

      I bet you also think Mamdani is the most dangerous candidate to ever win a Democrat primary and you’d rather vote for Cuomo as an independent than follow your own words and vote blue no matter who.

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                No I’m going to totally have brunch about it. I wish I could be really cool like you, a person who wears Che Guevera shirts and once started reading Marx for like 4 pages. Man if only I could go around straw manning like fuck and getting paid .1 cent per comment… That’d be the life!

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        I bet you answer any criticism to a call to inaction that doesn’t involve shooting people you disagree with.

        A lesser evil is still a lesser evil. And allows for more change further down the road.

        Though, really, it was all the inaction leading up to that one of many elections that has been the cause of all this. Not just that one finite point. It’s not just about November 2024, or 2020, or 2016. It’s about every election before, after, and in between. With their shocking lack of participation.

        But sure. It’s people who decide to take action to at least stem the loss of blood, in hopes of finding a better cure later that are the problem. Not the ones who would rather see the country dying of blood loss just to prove a point.

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          I bet you answer any criticism to a call to inaction that doesn’t involve shooting people you disagree with.

          My dude, this isn’t a question of fucking shooting people “who disagree with us”. Those are people who literally want to fucking put EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH THEM INTO CAMPS. INCLUDING YOU, MR. LIBERAL. Those attacks towards trans people, black people, and immigrants? They’re just the test. Republicans want minorities and democrats dead. If you genuinely can’t see that fucking pressing issue you’re too privileged to fucking understand until it is YOUR TIME on the chopping block. The “disagreement” I have with republicans is simply not wanting my American friends to be fucking killed.

          And allows for more change further down the road.

          You literally cannot have change if you LITERALLY FIGHT ANY PROGRESSIVE HARDER THAN THE LITERAL FUCKING FASCISTS. Schumer is actually trying to fucking negotiate with Trump with “bipartisanship” instead of going scorched earth on them. We all heard this too many times about how electing milquetoast liberals who literally stand for nothing is better because “you can push them left”. And when it comes for that moment, you idiots fight us HARDER than you fight the republicans.

          Get the fuck out of the way or you can enjoy those fucking liberal death camps, because every minority has no other choice other than to fight. Enough with the decorum. The Allies did not stop the Nazis by talking. There is no cure for fascism other than putting them in the dirt. Whether that’s alive or dead doesn’t matter.

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            Like Quadhammer, I too tire of this snide condescending “liberals are evil” schtick. Fuck off with that forever. People who want decent healthcare, vulnerable peoples to have equal rights, and generally sane social policy are not evil like you seem to suggest. If you aren’t a fucking Russian troll, then realize how much impact Russian trolls have had on your thought patterns. Because it’s a lot.

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              Count me among your number. Progress is fought by the yard, won by the inch, and lost by the mile. I’d love to get to a democratic socialist form of government, but we only get there extremely gradually or we don’t get there at all. Reality is not kind in that regard.

              But hardcore ml’ers and tankies don’t have the patience for that. If they can’t have their victory overnight, or it’s not a total victory, they’d rather have no victory at all. Politics isn’t a horseshoe, it’s a hoolahoop.

              Btw, nice username. :)

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              It’s not a schtick, you’re voluntarily complicit in genocide and you know it, you’re more than happy to trade countless innocent lives as long as you get to stay safe and comfortable. If you’re tired of hearing it then quit being a spineless morally bankrupt shitbag, not complicated.

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                You literally have no idea what views you’re even facing and I won’t bother humoring your troll fest.

                Ps. We got you banned before and we will again. Putin will not be happy with today’s work.

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                  I know exactly what views I’m facing, the only people on this planet still making excuses for corporate dems and their ongoing support for Israel are morally bankrupt “centrist” liberals. Conservatives and libertarians will take any opportunity to criticize the democrats no matter how hypocritical or inane, communists and anarchists are all unambiguously opposed to genocide and loudly condemning your complicity in it. You’re not fooling anyone, and you’re not going to win no matter how many people you ban or how many times you try to deflect to some nonsense about Russia or China. You’ve lost control of the narrative and you’re never getting it back.

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            Motherfucker that is literally the position I have been arguing here and on reddit for YEARS. The liberal versus leftist debate is a fucking ASTROTURF play perpetuated by bots. Liberals aren’t Hillary Clinton and leftists aren’t Stalin SO THERE now it’s settled we can all shut the fuck up about it and take our country back

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            I love watching the Maya Pei Brigade. You all bring such a dedication to the craft of bickering with your allies in the jungle.