Planned obsolescence
Having worked in the industry at that time, there were 2 main reasons they did it like that
- batteries were quite unreliable and failed often
- mfgrs couldn’t afford to have one year warranties and send out field replacement units for a battery
And the reasons they stopped doing it…
- batteries got better
- battery contact failure was higher than battery failure.
- replaceable batteries compromise waterproofing
I think they should still be replacible, but they should have better connectors that are sealed off from the rest of the device. It costs a tiny bit more to do that engineering though.
battery contact failure was higher than battery failure.
quite a feat, only doable if you try to make it fail
replaceable batteries compromise waterproofing
this is in no way true, and is a bold face industry lie. There is no shortage of water PROOF and not just resistant electronic equipment that feature replaceable batteries.
the reason replaceable batteries were removed is entirely due to planned obsolescence.
It has more to do with size than anything. A waterproof phone with a removable battery is going to be bulkier.
not really, the phones we have are basically all water-resistant, so they definitely aren’t waterproof (makes you wonder just why this argument is repeated so much)
and it doesn’t require something to be bulkier to make it waterproof, unless you are deep sea diving, but I think at the point where you require over $100,000 in gear to reach said point, I don’t think a deep sea diving case is out of the budget.
case n’ point, watches
Look dude, I made my position clear. Just speaking what I’ve seen in the industry while repairing phones.
If you don’t want to believe contacts are a point of failure, I’m not sure what to tell you.
the most common failure on a Bosh SPS drill is the actuator arm for the pounding motion, and this is commonly shared among several power tool brands with SPS drills.
you could make the argument that these parts just fail more often, and if you go by what broke, that would make you think it’s a reasonable conclusion.
Until I tell you that said actuator arm is made of injection mold plastic and all other parts of this assembly are made of steel. So in reality, this part that just happens to break more often is doing so because it was meant to, we are more than capable of creating contact terminals that don’t break as easily
mfgrs
Muthafuggrs? Or what’s that supposed to be?
Basically. Manufacturers
Computers were not stopping you from running any software you want, until they got small enough for people to forget they are still computers.
That’s actually making a comeback because the EU got pissed.
My phone’s brand new and it has a removable battery, not even in the EU
I think it is because the EU listened to the people. This is what you get when elected representatives are not bankrolled by big business, and are allowed to enact legislation that doesn’t only benefit one side.
As far as I understand, Europe will push for removable batteries by 2027.. So we might actually get back to those glory days.
It was stopped because Apple wanted you to deal with their service technicians in their stores using their parts directly. They make zero dollars if you replace your spicy pillow with a 3rd party amazon battery.
EU to the rescue
They also had keyboards that worked well and there was even real competition for on-screen keyboards until Google bought out and dissolved the best keyboard because they really want your ducking typing data.
I still won’t buy a phone without a microSD slot.
GET OFF MY LAWN!
What phones even still do? Sonys? Low end Samsungs? Fairphone?
My Motorola does
Crazy how every time someone asks what brand even supports some previously-normal feature, the answer is always Motorola. Headphone jack, FM radio, SD card, stylus…
They have been surprisingly good devices in past few years. No nonsense software, pretty good hardware for very acceptable price and like you said none of the good things missing.
Their cameras are always garbage, but other than that I’ve been always buying them since the Nexus line went dead because they’re always the best for the least amount of money.
If I’m expected to buy a new phone every two years my working thesis was that I’ll pay very little for it. A lot of their phones are pretty decent for like $50-$150.
I’ll admit I caved a bit and bought a Motorola razr last Christmas though. It’s much more like the phones I usually don’t buy: no headphone jack, no microsd slot, a bit expensive, etc… But I wanted a phone that would actually fit in my pants comfortably for once.
Yeah, cameras are not usually comparable to high end stuff, but they are good enough for me. For my use case camera is just and after-thought. A good convenience to have at hand, but not a necessary one, especially not necessary to have 6 of the damn thing.
Why
Because they want more storage? I honestly don’t understand even asking the question lol
Also, I’ve got an entire music library and several movies I can just pop into my next phone
Storage for what though? That’s why I asked. My device storage is 256 and I’ve only used 100, that’s with 700 songs downloaded. I’m curious what you need a ton of storage for.
Pics of yo momma.
Because the march of time terrifies them.
If demanding better features means you’re old, then fuck being young.
That’s the ultimate irony of being young now - satisfied with awful tech experiences. Watching videos on a tiny screen and listening to music on earbuds or even worse, a cell phone speaker.
I recently saw an Amazon review where someone couldn’t believe how much better full size headphones were than their apple airpods. A whole review blathering about why a speaker 25x larger sounded better. “Never imagined such a difference!!!” Funny af
And the tech companies absolutely know this.
A lot of anti-user design choices were first introduced by the iPhone. As someone who has owned iPhones since the iPhone 3G, I blame myself.
Used to?
This message was send from a Fairphone
My Fairphone 3 still has a removable battery. I replaced the battery myself last year. It took me 10 seconds once it arrived.
Awesome! Now plug in a set of wired headphones without using a dongle. Oh, wait…
Fairphone 3 still has the headphone jack, it was removed with Fairphone 4. Still worth it because you can swap out any component with a single screw driver within minutes and you get years of updates. Also while not perfect, they make an effort to source their materials as ethically as possible and pay the factory workers a living wage.
You make it sound like they had to remove the headphone jack to have the other stuff. They didn’t. They just wanted to push users to buy their very not environmentally friendly wireless headphones/earbuds.
You really still use wired headphones? I can’t remember the last time I used mine. My phone and laptop still have the jack but I hate them. Catch on everything, having to keep the device by me at all times (which I don’t always have pockets for), God forbid I forget I have em in and go to move around, get em yanked out of my ears or send the phone flying. I mean I get it if the wireless ones die, but even then, I’d rather wait for them to charge.
And some of us just want to plug it in and not worry about it. If you want me to fully support wireless then I need a protocol that doesn’t randomly skip and robot.
Also that doesn’t sound like crap on calls and supports simultaneous bidirectional audio.
Catch on everything, having to keep the device by me at all times (which I don’t always have pockets for), God forbid I forget I have em in and go to move around, get em yanked out of my ears or send the phone flying.
You’d be perfect for an infomercial.
I’d rather wait for them to charge
Godd luck doing that when the battery can no longer hold a charge.
I was very resistant to getting a smartphone. I think my first Android was the blackberry q20. then a Samsung A10? I resisted touchscreens. I wanted physical ports and memory expansion and buttons.
and while I still hate touchscreens, I learned to like Bluetooth headphones. specifically, the Anker a3212.
maybe you would like them, too.
I also previously really liked the besign sh03 headphones, and I’m now lusting after the Sony wi-1000xm2
I don’t “dislike” bluetooth headphones. They certainly are more convenient and I used them for things like going to the gym, commuting, vacuuming, etc. The problem is when that’s your only option for no good reason. There’s absolutely no excuse for omitting the headphone jack. Strange Parts on YT even added it to an iPhone that didn’t have it and it works just fine so no, it’s not a space problem and it would also not prevent the phone from being water resistant.
I like my Sony WF-1000XM4s but they don’t sound as balanced as my Moondrop Aria or AKG K361 and they certainly aren’t as durable.
i have not been able to justify any true wireless headphones at all. three loose parts, three batteries, so many failure points. it’s like the problem you’re explaining on steroids.
I could do that, what’s the problem ?
You’re right, the Fairphone 3 still had it. Fairphone 4 and 5 don’t.
Capitalism removed!
Capitalism removed!
I wish capitalism was removed.
Coz batteries degrade over time, and this way you’re either forced to buy a new phone, or have to pay to have the battery replaced
It’s also 10x easier to achieve IP67 water resistance with the battery sealed off. Having a removable battery would require more engineering contrary to shareholders’ wishes.
Lemmy: “I want my removable batteries and headphones jacks!”
Manufacturers: “Are you willing to pay more because nobody else wants that and there’d be extra engineering costs to keep it to spec on things like water resistance?”
Lemmy: >:[ proceedes to buy it anyways and complain about it being so much bigger than other phones “I don’t have giant hands!”
