• Hemingways_Shotgun@lemmy.ca
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    2 hours ago

    I will often take two hotdogs, cut them in half longitudinally, and lay those out on two pieces sandwich bread.

    Ergo…hotdog sandwich.

  • Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world
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    4 hours ago

    Counter arguments, a hotdog is a sausage, the bread is a condament. When you buy hotdogs at the store you’re taking about the pack, when you’re cooking a hotdog, you’re taking about the sausage being cooked. A hotdog on the grill is not in the bun. When you’re eating a hotdog without a bun, you’re still eating a hotdog.

    In the other direction, a hotdog with mustard is still called a hotdog meaning the mustard has no say in the state of the hotdog.

    Furthermore, we have splitlink sandwiches so a sausage as sandwich still needs the sandwich modifier. When I say “hotdog sandwich” it’s bothersome because it conjures the idea of hot dogs between two slices of bread.

    So if a hotdog is a hotdog with or without the bread, and a hotdog is a hotdog with or without the mustard, than the bread plays the same role and becomes a condament for the eating of a hotdog that belongs firmly in the category of sausage.

    Spare points to back this up is taco, chicken taco, fish taco, street taco, all need the modifier “taco”. If I say we’re having fish and serve a tuna taco, I’ve not given you the accurate information. The same goes for wraps, without the “wrap” modifier you get different information. In reverse, we do not ask for a bun to get a hotdog. Following along that line, we have split bun sandwiches which use a bun and are not explicitly hotdogs.

    Lastly, with this information you can order the incredibly cursed, split link split bun sandwich with mustard which presents as a cut hotdog with mustard but is in fact an entirely different thing all together.

    • WIZARD POPE💫@lemmy.world
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      2 hours ago

      I will fight you on this.

      A hotdog is a specific type of soft sausage inside a bun. If you have just the sausage part you would not call that a hotdog (at least not where I live) but a frankfurter (we have a special word for this type of sausage).

      The bread needs to be a certain shape as well. Long round and thin. Either one where it goes in from the top (sliced by length)

      like this or pushed in the same way as the longer axis of bread goes like this

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      If you put it inside two slices of bread you made a frankfurter sandwich. So thus it needs to be the right sausage in the right bread to be considered a hotdog.

  • panda_abyss@lemmy.ca
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    13 hours ago

    I get the whole “cube rule” thing, but a taco is FOLDED and a hot dog bun is CUT.

    Mechanically these are very different required preparation steps.

    Further, tacos use fried tortillas which are technically cake.

    Hot dogs are not tacos. If you fry a cake, fold it, abc add toppings then that is a taco. When you cut into a bun and add toppings, that’s a sub. Hot dogs are subs, not tacos.

    • wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works
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      6 hours ago

      While I appreciate the topological approach, I hold to a linguistic and practical reason for a hot dog, as it is usually eaten, not (typically) being a sandwich:

      1. what does it mean for a thing to be “sandwiched”? It means pressed on two sides, held together by the force of that pressure.
      2. what is the difference between a hot dog and a hero/po-boy/sub? Well, heros and po-boys are held together by the bread. You can turn them on their side, and they should not fall apart, because the primary force holding them together is pressure on either side of the bread. Hot dogs, at least in my limited experience, are defined by their toppings, which are placed atop the frankfurter, and held in place by gravity alone.

      As such I give my typology: if the primary force holding your dish together is pressure on two sides from a retaining material? Sandwich. If the primary force holding it together is gravity? That bread is being used as a trencher. As such, most hot dogs, most tacos, bread bowls and other such things are all basically just a version of a bread bowl or bread plate. For this reason, I call them “Trenchers”. Pizza is not primarily held together by gravity or by sandwiching forces, and thus is normally neither of these. Pizza’s primary force maintaining its integrity is the cheese and other sticky things holding onto any toppings. As such, pizza would be equivalent to toast with spread, cheese, and other toppings, similar to garlic bread. All functionally just “adorned breads”.

      So, to reiterate, I don’t disagree that hot dogs can be sandwiches, but in general practice, I do not believe they qualify, much like most tacos do not qualify.

      • But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
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        2 hours ago

        What’s wild is that tortillas are so varied, Mexicans eat very thin yellow corn, Central Americans like white corn and make them thick, and South Americans just go full anarchy and make em extra fat and call them arepas.

        Im partial to the Central American think ones, and if you fill em with cheese and meat you got pupusas

      • panda_abyss@lemmy.ca
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        8 hours ago

        Tortillas are pancakes

        The word tortilla is derived from the Spanish word torta, meaning roughly ‘cake’ or ‘pie’, plus the diminutive suffix -illa; therefore tortilla can be translated as ‘little cake’.

        If flatbread then maybe tacos are pizza.

      • Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe
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        10 hours ago

        Flour tortillas are definitely flatbread.

        Corn tortilla… I’m not sure. I really just don’t know, but I’d still consider a taco to be a sandwich.

    • nagaram@startrek.website
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      5 hours ago

      So a soup with noodles is nachos but a soup without noodles is a salad.

      What is the definition of noodles in this scenario?

      Is a Potato soup a salad and a Gnocchi soup Nachos?

      Is it the adding of carbs in general or is it specifically noodles?

      What about wild rice soup? Wild rice is a seed. So is it a Salad or a Nacho?

      Also, why is a Turducken a salad? Prepared correctly its a sushi or even a calzone.

      Also also the cube itself, does it have to be a carb outer layer? Pigs in a blanket are considered a sushi but what of smoked sausages wrapped in bacon?

      • stoy@lemmy.zip
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        1 hour ago

        Naturally.

        I mean, this is a common prawn sandwich from us in Sweden:

        You can get them anywhere and they not only taste great, but smell fresh and lovely.

        Though, I can absolutely see a reason why this should not be allowed on a plane; shellfish allergy.

  • Pothetato@lemmy.world
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    12 hours ago

    Hot dog is like it’s own category. You can make all kinds of dogs. Hot dog, veggie dog, smokie dog, chicken dog… If it’s got a weiner then it’s a dog.