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Nationalize golf courses, make them parklands.
NO! Make them public housing as most golf courses are in nicer towns
There’s already plenty of urban sprawl. We need more natural areas. Seize the houses of people who own multiple and make them public housing instead.
Golf courses are not natural areas. They are biological dead zones that are sprayed with pesticides and only hold grasses which do not help pollinators.
Golf is bad.
All the ones near me are full of trees, conifers so still not helping pollinators but it is food and shelter for native animals. Golf is not intrinsically bad, the sport can exist without being so classist and environmentally destructive, we just need to accept kinda-janky conditions. Like one my friends live by: it’s right by a tidal flat and quite muddy when the water’s high, the grass is dotted with sand patches, and there’s ducks and geese grazing the lawn or rooting around the marshy edges constantly.
Environmentalism is important but so are outdoor recreation spaces. We don’t need to live in Lothlorien. (We do need to stop using so many pesticides)
That much cut grass is bad in any fashion
It’s not ideal, sure. All man-made structures are bad in that sense, and an 18 hole golf course is far from the most efficient user/area recreation facility. Doesn’t mean it’s an evil and irredeemable pastime.
They are massive ecological dead areas with little to offer anything other than the humans playing golf.
Golf is bad for the environment because lawns and the notion of the English Garden are very bad for the environment.
Right… Which is why we would turn them into natural areas… Because they don’t have buildings…
It depends on where you’re talking. The golf courses around me are often built on land that isn’t good for housing. Ground won’t support even single family homes. That said, returning them to forest or prairie land as a public park is an option. Which is fine by me.
Then where will we dump all the herbicides?
Trump will think he owns them then all then.
Another pro communism meme
Communism is when no golf
Nolf
It was fun, but NOLF 2 was better.
I’ve got just the place for low-cost housing. I have solved this problem. I know where we can build housing for the homeless: golf courses! It’s perfect! Just what we need. Plenty of good land, in nice neighborhoods, land that is currently being wasted on a meaningless, mindless activity engaged in primarily by white, well-to-do male businessmen who use the game to get together to make deals to carve this country up a little finer amongst themselves. I am getting tired, really getting tired, of these golfing cocksuckers in their green pants, and their yellow pants, and their orange pants, and their precious little hats and their cute little golf carts! It is time to reclaim the golf courses from the wealthy and turn them over to the homeless! Golfing is a arrogant, elitist game which takes up entirely too much room in this country. Too much room’ in this country! It is an arrogant game on its very design alone, just the design of the game speaks of arrogance. Think of how big a golf course is - the ball is that fucking big! What do these pin-headed pricks need with all that land?! There are over seventeen thousand golf courses in America, they average over one hundred and fifty acres a piece - that’s three million plus acres, four thousand, eight hundred and twenty square miles - you could build two Rhode Islands and a Delaware for the homeless on the land currently being wasted on this meaningless, mindless, arrogant, elitist, racist, there’s another thing; the only blacks you’ll find at country clubs are carrying trays. And a boring game. A boring game for boring people. You ever watch golf on television? It’s like watching flies fuck! And a mindless game, mindless. Think of the intellect it must take, to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then, walking after it! And then, hitting it again! I say pick it up asshole, you’re lucky you found the fucking thing! Put it in your pocket and go home, you’re a winner! You’ve found it! No chance of that happening. Dork-o in the plaid knickers is going to hit it again and walk some more. Let these rich cocksuckers play miniature golf! Let them fuck with a windmill for an hour and a half or so! See if there’s any real skill among these people. Now I know there are some people who play golf who don’t consider themselves rich. FUCK 'EM! And shame on them for engaging in an arrogant, elitist passtime.
-George Carlin
Maybe golf is where Trump picked up his hatred of windmills.
Is that you Q?
Good? It’s a huge waste of land and resources.
Back in the day they were saying “don’t let the terrorists win”
Now it’s communists?
Are there any real communists left in the world?
The only existing communist states left in the world are in China, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, and North Korea (DPRK).
…and even these states do not claim to have achieved communism in their countries but are supposedly building and working toward its establishment.
China is the most capitalist communist country I’ve ever seen
China is just capitalism with extra spicy corruption.
China is a fascist economy without the extreme jingoism
Extreme jingoism is more like threatening to invade your closest ally of 150 years because of woke, that’s just sparkling imperialism
I don’t disagree but that’s just whataboutism.
No, it’s describing an actual example. This is why whataboutism is a disputed fallacy, you realize.
Though one might point out that while Xi publicly denounces hegemony and extreme nationalism there’s quite a lot of jingoist rhetoric pushed through other means, not to mention saber rattling over territory, that’s still a far cry from the head of state threatening to invade your neighbors just because.
The fear of communists came way before the fear of terrorists.
It’s retro fear.
Retcom
So like, a long-ass time ago, a populist movement started overthrowing capitalist economies or monarchies and ever since then, anyone who wants to get a lot of money from everyone else has been deathly terrified of the thing. Never mind it never really worked. Never mind if it DID work, you wouldn’t need all that money.
It’s always just people who really want to feel special worried that something is going to make them feel less special. Usually it’s something sexual like insecurity about their dicks or other men banging their girls. (No really, almost every authoritarian/fascist movement has started with sexually insecure men, this has been studied.)
So this all really boils down to some people saying we can all level the field so everyone is equal and have the same opportunities, and the dudes who know they can never feel equal to others raging against the very notion because they are really, really insecure about but obsessed with the dicks of other men.
As a result you have the suffering of billions of people. I wish I could make it make sense.
The threat of communism is far more real to empire which is the by far the worst terrorist.
China has a stock market and investment banks
Were you under the impression anyone thinks China is communist?
Yes, the tankie types will criticize me for not understanding what “socialism with Chinese characteristics” means. Apparently it’s socialism where the workers do not control the means of production.
Right-wingers, whether fash or red fash (tankies), agree that China is commie because they have no idea what communism is.
The traditional Marxist argument would be that Marx thought liberalism/capitalism could be a required step towards communism, even if he had some hope of Russia skipping the stage for cultural reasons.
They then claim that China is merely in that step towards socialism, and point to things like the re-education of certain billionaires as proof that the people/party are still in control.
Personally I think that’s a bunch of nonsense and they’re a fascist state that, admittedly, will probably be less racist and expansionist than the incoming American Empire.
Do people really use tankies for anything other than entertainment?
The types who bleat about “actually existing socialism” do.
Cuba has the best argument, IMO. The people they killed/tossed out mostly had it coming. Most of the problems can be directly attributed to US sanctions, and those sanctions only serve the interests the people who got thrown out (or their decedents, at this point). Both the US and Cuba are harmed more than they’re helped by those sanctions.
If I wanted an example of Marxist-Leninism working, Cuba would be it, even with obvious issues. The rest are only successful if you have a shitty definition of success.
Are there any real communists left in the world?
It’s arguable if there ever really were any. Hasn’t been an actual communist nation.
But it sure makes a handy-dandy villain when anyone suggests implementing socialist plans that may take even a shaving of a dime from hungry corporations who need perpetual growth.
Hasn’t been an actual communist nation.
Communism is directly incompatible with the violent hierarchy of states.
I fully agree, it’s an idea ahead of it’s time, but only because our population isn’t ready. We’re too flawed and stupid and emotional and superstitious, and the black pill is we always will be. We have plateaued.
I say this and get immediately met with “But they said before a century ago, they said our tech and knowledge peaked!”
And I’m not talking about our tech or our textbooks, I’m saying how much abstraction and complexity the average human can comprehend, and we’re only as fast as our slowest runner. Our inherent language abilities aren’t sufficient even in our smartest populations, we are still completely ruled by emotional reactions, we have brains that write stories to explain feelings and we don’t question that the stories aren’t logical, and then use these conclusions to write policy which corrals us even further.
We will continue to make more and more amazing tools and machines that surpass us, but we won’t have a higher general level of understanding and cognition than we do now. We don’t have the evolutionary pressures, and in fact our brains are generally shrinking because being smart isn’t necessarily a survival tool in nature.
China is not communist.
The only existing communist states left in the world are in China, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, and North Korea (DPRK).
None of these places are communist.
There are many actual commies/leftists but we’re completely attacked and obscured by the hegemonic right-wing ideologies (eg. liberalism, fascism, etc.).
Unironically yes. Fuck golf
Seriously. SO much land for a few old white pricks. And there are like no rules, can use any balls, any clubs, etc. imagine if baseball had no rules and you could use a bat made of anything. Or your own ball when you pitch. Wtf. Also expensive as fuck for no reason than gatekeeping it.
I don’t know what the fuck you’re on but there are rules in golf dude. This comment is as bad as the actual post
Golf LOVES its rules. Seriously.
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Can we make golf less bad? Like, public courses, make it so that the grass isn’t some perfect standard import grass. Make it local even if it’s “less than ideal” for the game. Desert courses with no grass. I dunno
So, disc golf?
What about disc golf, but with balls? Ball golf?
Ball Golf? That’s something you usually have to pay extra for.
Or just “ballf.” Bolf?
We need more “Bolf” license plates in the gift shop.
I repeat, we are sold out of Bolf license plates.
My son is also named Borf.
Came here for that
“good” courses exist. They are just quite rare
In my area there are at least 2 courses that have very reasonable member fees (not more than other sports clubs) where things like golf clubs and balls renting is included if you need them. Plus all kinds of free weekends
They are also not targeted to rich snobs. So you can actually meet people there without being looked down upon
As for the course itself: they are located in area that are not really suitable for things like apartment development etc. And they take care of the more wild parts of nature (making sure that some area are completely off limits during nesting season due example)
Does it have an impact compared to it not being there? Sure. But they do a lot for the surrounding, and it gets people into nature that otherwise probably wouldn’t
All the courses in the middle of cities or climates that don’t naturally support a course can go fuck themselves, though
My hometown has a public mini golf course. It scales really well, and it coexists with a forest.
Just leave sheep out to maintain the course. Isn’t that how it was originally?
Dammit, don’t make me support communism now.
Is there another way to get rid of golf?
Climate change!
They would just build climate-controlled domes.
I meant it in the way that, you know, we’re making the planet inhospitable to human life. That will destroy golf, finally! Worth it.
It will likely not make the planet inhospitable to all people, just some. In fact, a bunch of people will benefit from it, like those living in colder climates (at least for some time).
Even in colder climates it kind of sucks, remember that it also makes winters colder and weather more chaotic
Just depends on the location. In some places the climate is projected to become milder.
Oh well in that case let’s just not worry about it!
Right? It will probably mostly impact poor people, so who cares!
Dammit, don’t make me support communism now.
Why not? What is so appealing about the oppressive hierarchies of capitalism? Literally destroying the planet…
I don’t think communism is perfect or even deserving of much loyalty, but anti-capitalism is the only reasonable position.
Unbridled capitalism is very bad indeed, but the basics of it aren’t bad. It can generate a lot of wealth through freedom. If you properly tax that wealth (top level brackets go 90-100%) then you have an enormous budget for a socialist framework that gives you anything from free healthcare to free education to free basic housing for everyone, etc.
Communism has a huge amount of issues that simply makes it impractical. You need to remove a lot of freedoms, everything requires a huge burocracy, you’ll always (no exceptions in history) end up having to murder all your opponents and anyone who doesn’t want to fall in line… Communism is nice on paper but in the real world there hasn’t been a single example where it didn’t cause untold suffering
I’ll go with the former, thank you.
And again, yeah, capitalism as in the US is a shit show that needs to die in a fire, but come on, be realistic here for a second, capitalism looks shit in places like the US but if used well, it could generate heaven on earth for everyone
Fuck, don’t threaten me with a good time.
Oh no! What will men in loveless marriages do?
There’s always fishing
Nah man if you’re doing catch and release you gotta put a pointy hook through their lips then reverse drown them for a minute or two. Fishing’s out. Loveless marriage men need to play chess in the park.
Under communism you need to catch fish for everyone though!!
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Good. Fuck golf.
(Mini golf excluded)
How is your feeling towards disc golf? It still required a large amount of area, but the grass doesn’t have to be perfectly cut, and the sport allows a lot more trees and plants - in fact it requires a lot more vegetation to make an interesting course.
I’ve seen a disc golf course be integrated into a local park, without any damage to nature. If only more sports could be this eco-friendly.
My local course is on the foot of a mountain, with the course utilizing the trees and natural open areas to make nice lines as well as some mountain sides and hills. Very few trees were chopped in the process, and it’s not really an area suitable for housing or industries. However, I know that disc golf has quite a different course style at more professional levels. A lot of the courses on pro tours are basically golf courses integrated with disc golf, which doesn’t really help with killing off ball-and-club golf.
Also they’re usually open to the public, non-exclusive, etc.
So we could win twice?
Fuck golf. George Carlin was right. And that’s just the beginning.
George Carlin died too fucking young.
My local golf course regularly floods and is unusable by anything other than ducks for months at a time.
So capitalism isn’t exactly doing the game any favours either.
