There was some proposal that I have seen multiple times on Lemmy and at least once on the GitHub repo that communities should be able to subscribe to each other much like users can subscribe to communities. I vastly prefer this to other proposals such as auto-merging communities with the same name, which I can think of a few ways that can go wrong.
It would also be reasonably intuitive for the average user, since following stuff is already a familiar action you take on social media. You wouldn’t really need to understand the quirks of federation to know why posting to one community makes it appear on other downstream communities. And as far as I know about ActivityPub (which is admittedly not much), it’s not a stretch use it to implement a feature like this.
I wonder if this proposal ever reached anywhere.
The idea that I’m talking about is actually more like communities forming a network, with chains of following. If I host a new instance and create a memes community in it, I’d like to start having that community follow memes @ lemmy.ml and memes @ lemmy.world, so that the community already has content from the get-go, but users may be able to post memes that are unique to my instance and its followers. The followers would also see memes from upstream unless my community unfollows them, as long as they don’t also follow them independently.
This model of the network would allow each community to independently determine which other communities it thematically implies, without the user having to follow all 4 communities with the same name but different content across the platform.
The multireddit suggestion is more like having directories/tags for communities. It wouldn’t achieve quite the same thing, but it would be useful as well. Both ideas can coexist and complement each other.
What am I looking at?
That’s a hyperlink. Some new www-stuff which was recently developed in one of our planet’s greates research Institutes which also has a great particle collider.
A better proposal in my eyes would be a “improved cross-post”. Currently crossposts are just posts that link to the other post, thus making two separate conversations and double the spam for people.
My proposal would be for a crosspost to act like a true link to the original, where people wouldn’t see them as two independent psots but the cross posting would just expand the amount of people that sees the original. Users that click on the cross posted post are directed to the instance it was originally posted, and the conversations are kept simple.
I guess that to implement this we would need to change how a post appears to people, it would in a way look like a post from community A that shows in community B, but the ID of the post is the same so it shows up once in feeds. Dunno.
Crazy talk. Next you’re gonna say we only need one 196 instead of five.
To be fair onehundrednintysix exists because the 196 mods are a bunch of shitlibs, also 19864 exists because tbh I thought it was funny and I still do (also its more left wing)
So if I’m right about this…
- !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone - this is the original one, which was frozen and brought back to life after everyone left. people still post here tho dunno why maybe they’re lost?
- !196@lemmy.world - this is where the mods went. it has a lot of subscribers but most of those are dead accounts
- !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone - this is where all the posters went. the most active one.
- !19684@lemmy.blahaj.zone - bc “[kittenzrulz123] thought it was funny and … its more left wing”
- !196@pawb.social - the furry version
- !195@lemmy.world - this is locked and just points to one of the 196es.
Also 19864 was originally a subreddit that I used to be very active in and I just wanted it here (the rest is accurate)
how does 19864 differ from 196? how did the subreddit differ from /r/196?
!moretankie196@lemmygrad.ml - the only one I’d ever even consider posting to
Considering none of them post the same memes this is fine
You might even say… “Let one hundred and ninety-six flowers bloom!”
196 mods are a bunch of shitlibs
I’m literally a trans socialist, and 100% of the other mods are either gay or trans. We’re as left as left gets.
I’ll say it as many times as I have to: The move had nothing to do with politics. There’s a lot of value in Ada’s style of moderation, because cishet people have damn near the whole internet to serve as their “safe space” for the lack of a better term, so the value of having a dedicated queer instance is enormous. Her work means that communities like !queer_defense_front@lemmy.blahaj.zone already have the vast majority of the work done for them.
By and large, we are in agreement with Ada and her mod actions. (We don’t tolerate transphobes, racists, etc., and that didn’t change after the move). Where we disagree is things like Kolanaki getting banned for saying he wants to learn to be an ally but can’t ask about trans topics without getting negative replies. In a community like QDF it would make sense to remove the comment because it’s not the time or place for his input, but on 196 we feel like it’d be a lot more productive to teach him what he can do better to engage with us more effectively, rather than assume he’s incapable of doing so. He’s never said anything transphobic in either of the 196s I mod for, and I see no reason he shouldn’t be welcomed in the community.
And it’s worth noting that !196@lemmy.world is still free of transphobes/racists/tankies/etc., despite the panic.
Nah you ain’t left as left gets. You post on a community that uses “tankie” in the same way conservatives use “woke.” If that ain’t the most liberal shit ever, then I am Hillary Clinton.
Ctrl+F “tankie” and replace it with “authoritarianism apologist”, then. 🤷♀️ I can’t say your opinion means much to me if it boils down to a semantic argument.
Authoritarianism is antithetical to everything the left stands for, at least in America (especially under Trump’s reign). Being a communist isn’t enough for you to claim to be on my side.
Ahem…
Yeah let’s just centralize all of this bullshit.
/s
One main community greater than others with the same topic on a decetralized platform ≠ centralization.
To be fair, it is one form of centralization; although, I admit, I was twisting the meaning of the term a bit to fit my sarcastic remark.
That being said, as primarily a shitposting lurker who only occasionally actually creates content designed for sharing, I don’t mind the extra communities. I’m no stranger to seeing reposts, and I get my kicks from leaving the odd comment that may or may not spawn some sort of rant (usually from myself, not the other parties), but hopefully just tickles someone, and then scrolling to the next. If it’s the same thing, I just keep scrollin’.
I could see how it would be irritating to post to multiple communities designed around the same idea, but perhaps the solution is more like turning each community into an aggregate of all similar communities. You could opt your community into a master community, and any post made in one would get shared to all of them.
I mean I would still like to get rid of the same meme being posted 5 times in 2h…
Ye
Centralize the output but it’s only replicated across each imstance.
Yeah we eventually got to that in the other comments. It was a whole thing
isn’t the point of the fediverse to not consolidate?
Options are better than useless limitations (ignoring scope creep)
I created an instance for one specific community so that users won’t be affected by who federates from who (unless you’re a spam instance or something like that)
There’re some different ideas in the thread now, basically a fediverse type of consolidation.
I’m quite deliberately avoiding lemmy.world, so no, we shouldn’t just put everything on there.
Wym, don’t you want Reddit but somehow more self righteous?
You put it better than I could, it’s exactly the self-righteousness that puts me off. And they basically control what gets defederated singlehandedly.
I blocked .world because it’s a centrist shit hole that serves to do nothing but piss me off with whiners who don’t do shit about fuck complaining about tankies and fascists as though their no side taking ass even has a fucking seat at the table.
Fuck .world
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Oh look holocaust trivialization
Ok, that needs a little explaination
Painting Communists and fascists as equal evils originated as a form of Holocaust trivialization called “Double Genocide Theory.” The goal was to make the Nazis seem not as bad by painting the Soviets as just another evil, regardless of material reality. The reality is that Communists have historically been an overall quite positive force compared to liberalism and fascism. I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds to see an honest comparison and critique that highlights just how wrong equating fascism with Communism is.
First of all: I didnt set them equal. I just said I wouldnt chose either. If you are offering me two meals: A deadly vial of arsenic and some garbage out of your trash, i wouldnt chose too.
And furthermore: Tankie (as far as I understand this word) doesnt mean communist. And the communists I know, dont want to be seen like this.
So please try not to mention the shoah thoughtlessly in such discussions. Because this would definitly mean a trivialization.
Equal or similar in awfulness, neither is accurate to reality, and again, has roots in the aforementioned method of Holocaust trivialization called Double Genocide Theory.
“Tankie” is a caricature. The idea of a tankie is the ideal vision of a McCarthyian Communist. In reality, the overwhelming majority of people labeled as such don’t actually fit that label, it’s more of a way to cast an image of someone’s positions based on, say, support for AES countries, and twist that into the evil Commie Pinko that haunts the dreams of 1960s children in the US.
No Communist wants to be seen as this caricature, they’d rather be seen as the Marxists they are, but those who use the term “Tankie” as though it has any meaning contribute to the demonization of Communists.
Ok another try:
If I get offered 2 options, and both options are bad for me, I wouldn’t choose either. By this, I dont rank their “badness”, I just tell that those options are not suitable for me. Not more not less.
Like arsenic and trash. They are both not suitable for me. But I dont rank them. I just say " no".
I my bubble the term tankie means somethin like a neo-sowjet, who thinks that the SU was heaven on earth. Not a communist. To be honest, I havent invested any real effort in researching this. But I just quotet the word, theyre not my words.
And once again Please try not to mention the shoah thoughtlessly in such discussions. Because this would definitly mean a trivialization.
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I don’t remember any of that at all, mind linking it? What facts did I deny? The USSR was dissolved intentionally, not really as a result of inherent issues with Socialism, that’s true at least.
Edit: oh, I found it in your modlog. I didn’t throw an “epic tantrum,” nor did I scream. I responded to your claims with evidence and articles after you gish-galloped, and then you refused to read them because you didn’t want to “do homework.” Odd miscategorization, I must say.
What a wonderful misrepresentation of reality. Ah well, as you said, it’s modlogged so good luck pretending
First they came for the tankies, and I said good fuck em that’s between y’all
I’d take the Marxists over the literal Nazis 10000 times out of 10000, and not a single time would there even be a microsecond of contemplation. One only need to know that the Nazis industrialized mass murder and the Communists focused on improving the lives of the working class to know that it isn’t even worth comparing.
Dude you need to broaden your circles
All my homies hate .world and rightfully so.
Moving more communities away from .world is what we should be doing not the other way around.
As others have pointed out, if you try to move to .world people will just riot and make a new community elsewhere. Dont try, its a ridiculously stupid idea.
Again something the mods have to talk about. It’s something the mods have to discuss about (the community can take part in that discussion too, democracy and stuff). We could for example merge to lemmy.ml.
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Most people don’t hate Lemmy.ml, it’s a vocal minority more common on some instances than others.
I’m sure this is the majority opinion on this instance… I’ve got a comment removed on .ml for criticizing it so no wonder you don’t see such comments often
I got banned from Lemmy.world’s political memes community for questioning why mods were removing comments pointing out the Democrat’s involvement with the genocide in Palestine.
Overall, most users are fine with Lemmy.ml, the haters tend to be concentrated on liberal or otherwise anti-left instances.
To be clear: I’m not arguing for .world either. We should decentralize and focus on smaller instances
Sure, but the way to do that isn’t to create tons of general instances, but more specialized ones around a general topic. Lemmy.ml focuses on FOSS and Privacy, and Hexbear focuses on Leftist politics.
.ml is on of the most abusive and censored communities I have ever seen. While I generally agree with their anti imperialism it ends there.
I’ve been censored far more on Lemmy.world, and never on Lemmy.ml. I got permabanned from Political Memes on Lemmy.world for asking why the mods were removing comments pointing out the Democrats involvement in the genocide of Palestinians, and was tempbanned from Lemmy.world’s asklemmy comm for calling out transphobia.
Lemmy.ml is one of the better servers with respect to “censorship,” it doesn’t defederate from the Leftist instances and it removes bigotry pretty much instantly.
Blocked for denying reality.
Where did I “deny reality?” Lmao. Disagreeing with your opinion isn’t some unholy sin.
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I’d say the homophobia/misogyny coming from your comment is more of a turn off to me than Marxists, personally.
Dictatorships are cringe and your attempt to deflect from your shit beleifs is also cringe.
I don’t support dictatorships, and your belief that homophobia and misogyny is okay when attacking people you don’t agree with is a key sepparation between you and me.
I’m scared
but lemmy.ml users are by far funnier and more based
no, because not everyone likes to join lemmy.world because of the fedipact.
You don’t have to join an instance to participate in their community.
We could find a solution for that, couldn’t we?
E: It’s something the mods have to discuss about (the community can take part in that discussion too, democracy and stuff). We could for example merge to lemmy.ml.
To be fair, one can have good reasons against .ml as well as .world
Having two communities is not the worst idea imho
Based
To be fair, one can have good reasons against .ml as well as .world
You’re right now let’s start our own com on a completely different instance. /s
It didn’t used to be like this. Maybe take it up with the brave patriot who’s made it his sacred duty to repost ml memes to world, in the hopes of convincing the world admins to defederate from ml. https://lemmy.world/comment/15251475
lol!
Just chiming to throw some light hearted shade at lemmy.world for defederating from the piracy communities. My time on lemmy.world was really poor, and I came away not thinking too highly of Lemmy as a whole. My experience in different instances has been a world of difference, and I finally get fantastic content in my feeds and am fully on board with Lemmy
Yep, their defederation from piracy comms and moderation of Luigi-related politics are my two biggest gripes with the instance administration itself.
Which instance are you using? I’ve been using world since start, but open to others. Never really looked into it too much.
EE is nice. They won’t defederate with just about anyone. But so far the mod assholery has been minimal.
Hexbear.net (currently chapo.chat) is good, if you’re a Communist or Anarchist. What kind of interests do you have? Dbzer0 has a bunch of great piracy resources, as an example.
I’m on lemm.ee! It seems to have a good balance of users and sensible defederation. On mobile, the app you use make a world of a difference too. Both Jerboa and Thunder (Android) were mid tier experiences, but now I’m using Boost and it’s phenomenal!
no
Thanks for this detailed reasoning.
ok
There should be a way to see the content from different communities with the same name but from different instances in the same page, like some sort of automatic multireddit. The content would probably be limited to instances federated with your home instance but even then it’s something I would like to have.
You cannot assume that communities with the same name are meant to be on the same topic.
Say I set up an instance focused on discussing parties at home. There are fun in-person games you can play with your friends when many of you are over, so I would create a community c/games for discussing them. Now, what if I want my instance to federate with lemmy.world? They already have a c/games that is dedicated to videogames. Maybe I also would need a community dedicated to videogames, but I’d have to call it c/videogames, because I already have a c/games.
Some human intervention would be required to let the network know that the local c/videogames is the one that has to federate with lemmy.world’s c/games, and not the local c/games.
Maybe an automatic suggestion would be fine as a starting point, but it would be more useful that communities themselves could explicitly establish which remote communities they are associated with, without depending on the names.
That’s actually a pretty idea. I’m imaging something like a tool included into lemmy where you can collect different subs into one folder and even share these/export those folders as xml or json to a new account… And now we’re talking about RSS-feeds. Basically.
But RSS-feeds included into lemmy. I don’t really know if that would help to get rid of reposts, but it’s certainly an interesting idea. Something one would have to integrate in an Lemmy update, so you would need to contribute to the Lemmy code.
I actually love this idea. I’m on a federated service, why do I need to go to 3 meme communities on 3 instances when I could go to “meme” and see all of them?
Crossposts from within the cross-feed could be automatically hidden to avoid showing the same post multiple times, and then we just start spreading the word to crosspost instead of reposting. I think the only issue is that this would definitely be better to implement client-side because AP is just a protocol to move data, whereas this requires checking too many user-defined variables to make it idiomatic easily. I could be wrong though, I don’t know the AP code very well
Your proposal is much too streamlined.
Perhaps you presume memes are a commodity of which consumption should be maximized!
Nay, I say. Memes are an essential nutrient that becomes toxic in larger doses.
Thus, they must be scattered about in the environment to be encountered by happenstance whilst I pursue my main information foraging goal of finding ad hoc justification for my durable sense of dread.
Memes, uhh, find a way.
Do whatever you want but I am planning many epic shitposts pretty much anywhere I can get a reaction.
Ok.
Quick! Someone crosspost this to !memes@lemmy.world
