They did a fairly extensive study in the 1940s on how to deal with Nazis.
Findings were that punching, while not necessarily a bad thing to do to them, was quite a bit less effective than other forms of engagement due to the Nazi having a tendency to get back up after a punch alone.
Never let the law stop you from doing what’s right.
That was clear pretty early on. The options are vigilante justice or no justice; the law is a joke.
Bold to assume there will be another cycle.
I was an active duty surgical tech in the US military; promoted fairly quickly and ranked up to Staff Sergeant at about 3 years. Shortly after taking that rank, we had a perfect storm of deployments, a retirement, a medical separation, etc that left me as the highest ranking enlisted in the surgery unit, which made me (a still-kinda-newby-surgical-tech) taking the responsibilities of basically a charge nurse. Chief among these was attending morning morning briefs with the top dogs of the hospital (high ranking officers) and giving report. Fortunately I knew where to access the OR’s metrics, so my report was always just a summary of our case load, average times, etc.
This lasted only about a week until we got a new Master Sergeant and Tech Sergeant. Apparently I got some pretty high praise from those top dogs for stepping up (not like I had a choice) and doing a decent job – but that was PURE luck lol. I only did well because things went relatively smoothly on their own. If there was an emergency or something I would have had no fucking clue what to do; and all the junior enlisted seemed to just know that I wouldn’t have been able to do shit for them during that time, so everyone kept the smaller fires to themselves during that time.
It was a weird time.
We’re getting to the point where laws don’t mean shit. You have the right to defend yourself, whether or not it’s a legal right.
Thought provoking question of the day: Leading up to the holocost, would the average German citizen have been justified in taking up arms against their own government in order to prevent it? If yes, what line was crossed that gave them the moral obligation to do so? And finally, what’s the modern equivalent of that line?
That’s true - I guess we’ll see if and when it happens. But the training on that topic is pretty clear and heavily emphasized relative to other training. It’s also both a politically charged order and one that will elicit defensiveness even if it was made legal.
It’ll also cause a lot of infighting and heavily weaken our military, which would invite attacks from one (or more) of the nations we’ve pissed off with our shitty foreign policy… So there may well be troops taking to our streets shortly after that kind of order, but most likely not our troops.
What a fun alternative!
The most egregious Jan 6th case is Trump.
Ignoring every other part of this movement, the ‘no children’ bit is a question of safety.
Even where the laws aren’t dystopian nightmare shit, and you have a healthcare team on standby to provide the best care they can without needing to worry about legal fuckery, pregnancy and delivery can still kill you cuz that shit is insanely brutal.
Disallow that team from intervening when there’s a miscarriage or some other complication and the mortality rate skyrockets, as seen in red states post-Roe.
That’s about to be the whole country soon. Ladies, if you do get pregnant, have a plan, and a backup plan, and a backup-backup plan etc with where to go and what to do if shit even even starts to feel like it’s hitting the fan.
…also if you don’t already have a passport, now might be a good time.
If I were in your shoes, I’d be scheduling a hysterectomy ASAP. And remember your doc isn’t going to do a background check or anything, so if they start giving you the shit about “nooo you’re too young, you might regret it later!” just remember that your uterus is causing you 10/10 pain, and it makes it almost impossible to accomplish any normal tasks, and even starting to cause suicidal ideation; also you already have 4 kids with 3 dads and feel like you’ve lost control of your life, etc… probably not all at once or they’ll know you’re bullshitting, but the point is denying women’s healthcare is a problem that goes way beyond abortion, and if lying is what you need to do to receive care, then don’t hesitate to do it.
Good luck everyone. This situation is absolute shit.
It’s going to take more than just replacing the leadership. Every e-nothing gets that same training; whether illegal orders are coming down from the president himself or their immediate supervisor or anyone in between, they’ll be met with resistance.
Now, there are plenty of trumpanzees among the ranks who will put their loyalty to Agent Orange over their country and constitution, and do whatever he says no questions asked, just as it is with the non-military population. So, if we see an ‘order 66’ event, what’s going to happen is a SHIT TON of in-fighting within the ranks to the point that our military readiness is going to nosedive, leaving us vulnurable to other forms of attacks, but I don’t see troops actually hitting the streets like that in any organized fashion.
Again though, what I’m worried about are the cops. They’re already completely loyal to that shitstain, and have a long and regular history of extreme unnecessary violence and not actually following the law. And they’re already mobilized and infused into every single city in the US. Combine that with the civilian trumpanzees and we’ve got a very large force that have been itching for a civil war for like a decade at least.
make dumb the norm
That’d be a huge improvement over where we’re at now:
^evil is the norm.
Trump’s 1st victory, sure we could give the benefit of the doubt and blame it on a combination of stupidity and shit like the electoral college. But then we all saw 4 years of him attacking our country from the oval office, and another 4 years of hearing his Nazi rhetoric… and people fucking it. It isn’t just stupid… those 74 million voters have eyes and ears, and weren’t born the day before the election - they knew exactly what they were voting for. Trump’s message of harming thy neighbor resonates with the average voter.
…if humanity were just stupid but not evil, that’d be a borderline utopia compared to what we’re about to plunge into.
I’ve been wondering that myself.
It’s not just anger. The majority of voters take actual delight in harming others, even when the cost of doing so is harming themselves too.
Collectively, humans are evil to the core. That’s the problem that Trump is a symptom of - even if he chokes to death on Putin’s dick right now the problem isn’t going to go away. Some other Nazi will fill in and the 73 million traitors that voted for Trump will just redirect their support to the next guy.
Nope! This is basic training we’re talking about. They teach only the details that accomplish the lesson. And the lesson was don’t follow illegal orders. If there’s more to the story that contradicts the lesson, you bet your ass it was omitted.
Veteran here. If it’s any consolation, basic training included a fairly lengthy course (well… relative to the other shit they teach there at least) about how to identify and what to do when given unlawful orders. Lots of emphasis on DO NOT FUCKING FOLLOW THEM. Lots of emphasis on the Nuremberg trials / if your defense is “just followed orders…” then you’re fucked. They talked about people like Hugh Thompson Jr. and the severe back pain he sustained from lugging around those massive balls.
The military does NOT want to become Nazis or stormtroopers. If Trump plays the whole ‘execute order 66’ card, military leadership will tell him to suck a dick.
It’s the cops I’m worried about. And the neonazi civilians responding to Trump’s stochastic terrorism.
So long as he doesn’t miss, I don’t really care what costume he’s wearing.
If legal justice was going to happen to Trump, it would have by now. This shit is pure theater.
Our options are vigilante justice or no justice.
the constitution
…yeah that’s a couple months away from being slathered in Trump’s feces and filed securely into one of the whitehouse’s toilets.
Maybe future generations will stop being entitled assholes.
Look what’s happening with Gen Z right now. They showed a lot of promise, then showed up to vote and turns out they have just as many nazis as the rest of us. We’re going ride this death spiral all the way to extinction.
…there’s some nominative determinism for ya.