The Supreme Court on Tuesday passed up a chance to intervene in the debate over bathrooms for transgender students, rejecting an appeal from an Indiana public school district.
Federal appeals courts are divided over whether school policies enforcing restrictions on which bathrooms transgender students can use violate federal law or the Constitution.
In the case the court rejected without comment, the Chicago-based 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld an order granting transgender boys access to the boys’ bathroom. The appeal came from the Metropolitan School District of Martinsville, about 30 miles (48 kilometers) southwest of Indianapolis.
Why would anyone care where people go the bathroom? Where do you think transsexuals have been going all these years? What nonsense.
Hey! I appreciate your support, trans rights are human rights!
In the future, could you please use transgender instead of transexual? The latter is a really dated term and ties a gender and societal issue to sexuality. While they may be closely associated, they’re not the same thing and any little bit helps break that association.
I’ve proven I can’t remember this kind of stuff, but I’ll try.
That’s how it’s done, people.
Good on you for working on it though!
You can also edit your comments, it would be preferred if you would change it so that you aren’t using what many of us consider a slur.
Would it not be better to leave it as is to teach others? Censoring serves no purpose here and it would prevent people from learning
You can edit in a cross out with two tildas ~ surrounding the word and put the correct word next to it if that’s your style. But it’s still somewhat akin to using the n word for some of us.
It’s not our word for how we describe ourselves/ what we transition for, when we transition, and it can have nothing to do with sex, mostly, we can be any sexuality.
That old language centers everything on the fact that people see us as sexual fetishes and not people. Transition is about gender, of which sex sometimes is not even a part, asexuality exists too. Thus the word transgender
Not disagreeing about the use of the word, just erasing a teaching moment. Fair enough regarding the editing choice though
And yet it’s still the most upvoted comment, keeping a slur up that hurts many trans people, but sure the teaching moment is more important than being inaccurate and insulting, but keep patting yourself on the back.
Alternatively you can collapse the comment and you no longer have to see it.
Seconded, transgender is more accurate and how we describe ourselves.
The one exception is older trans folk who use that label because it is the one that resonated with them when they were figuring themselves out. Despite the label’s history with transmedicalism some of the elders are not down to have their identities questioned by us younger folk and their experiences are valid.
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Yeah a transexual sounds more like someone who is sexually attracted to transgender people.
The actual word for that is Skoliosexual…
( weak and offkey GI Joe theme played on a kazoo as I melt back into the internet)
OkCupid has a definition that means someone who wants to align their gender to a biological sex through medical intervention.
They have a whole
fantasyconspiracy they’ve cooked up where we’re sneaking in to women’s restrooms to do human trafficking and dark web revenge porn and shit.And that’s the typical projection of the conservatives who revealed that they would do that if they had the ability.
If a trans man sneaks into the boys room, everybody in the room spontaneously turns gay.
If a trans woman sneaks into the girls room, it’s a lesbian orgy.
I don’t make the facts.
They don’t believe transexuals exist.
They don’t think we’ve been around for years.
I’m reading this super awesome book called “before we were trans” That kind of goes over the history of gender non-conformity and transgender identities. It’s fucking amazing
I don’t have anything to back it up but I think it’s a large group’s correlation between trans/gay == pedophilia. When I was a kid, my mom(southern baptist republican) didn’t differentiate between gay people and illegal sexual activity like molestation(this was in the 80s). If my mom had been told that a guy that viewed himself as a girl wanted to use the girl’s restroom, she would have immediately decided it was because he wanted to do something terrible to the girls.
I think the main reason for that is because her God told her gay people were going to hell… It made it easy for her to view them as evil.
Worse: they are expending huge amounts of tax dollars over the right to act in a discriminatory way.
Yeah, fuck your genitals, show me how big your dookies are! Who’s gonna help me start a petition to build a national weekly poopie scoreboard? USA! USA! USA! USA!
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Women don’t like going to the bathroom with men.
They tolerate it on campgrounds, but not places of business that they frequent often.
I’m a woman and I don’t care. I’ve been in the bathroom with men before and even had a nice conversation with them. Do I not exist? Who gave you the rights to speak on behalf of all women everywhere?
You keep saying this, but you don’t speak for all women. I am a woman who does not care one flying fuck if the other ladies in the restroom were born with a penis, a vagina, or some variation thereof. I care much more about whether they flush & wipe the seat.
I’m certain you’re not conflating trans with violent, right?? Or sticking up for people who do?
Absolutely, but the barrier is not coming from men who don’t want to share restrooms with women.
No, actually, as transfem the only time anyone ever confronted me about the bathroom I used was a man before I switched. Evidently I was freaking guys out at the urinals 😅
It’s not like we watch each other pee? It’s not the men’s room.
I think it’s more of a safety concern mixed with sexism.
I’ve come across women that flat-out say they are more afraid of men on average and try to avoid them if possible.
One in four women face sexual violence. I get it.
It sure would be nice if they’d stop to consider how women like me would feel to be forced to be surrounded by men in the men’s restroom.
It’s frustrating to hear comments about “trans people” or “gay people” or whatever other identifier they choose, the conversation is never about treating them like people. The way they speak would make more sense if they were talking about a stray dog than an actual feeling, thinking person.
Trans folk are the newest “others,” though it seems that others basket is getting quite full lately.
Anytime someone in power says anything about needing to protect you from others, they are purposely sowing discord. It is the speaker that is trying to direct your anger away from them and unto the others.
Everyone is capable of being awesome and assholes. No identifying characteristic makes one anymore likely to be an asshole.
I’m 100% a supporter of trans right to use the bathroom of their gender.
There is a reason that bathrooms are separated by gender.
So if you can’t understand why people who don’t believe trans people exist are upset that people are using the wrong restroom, you’re just like the people who can’t understand that trans people exist: it’s a lack of being able to see beyond your own self and understand the position of others. While I strongly disagree with them, their position is not very complicated and easy to understand.
I dont think there’s any need to give the benefit of the doubt to these people anymore. You might argue they believe LGBTQ people shouldn’t exist, and I might believe you, but I tend to think their main motivation is just stirring up anger and resentment against the “other side”.
If people were concerned about privacy or safety, the us would have single user bathrooms or at least stalls that didn’t have 1in gaps around the doors (my 90s high school didn’t have stall doors at all, and in some bathrooms didn’t even have stalls, just a toilet next to the sink in the locker room). The same people aren’t upset about those things, because they don’t actually care about any of this.
I dont think there’s any need to give the benefit of the doubt to these people anymore.
It’s troubling how often I come across the opinion now that one is free to believe the worst of anyone they want.
There is a reason that bathrooms are separated by gender.
And that is?
Awkward conversation at the urinal is a male dominated sport?
The history of gendered bathrooms is no secret, if this is a good faith question, the answer is easily researched.
In the case the court rejected without comment, the Chicago-based 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld an order granting transgender boys access to the boys’ bathroom.
So, meanwhile, transgender individuals win. At least that’s something. 👍🏻
With any luck, this will hold untill the rest of the nation follows suit.
Only in those circuits where the court has allowed students to use the bathroom of choice. There are several circuits that voted to deny this. Your rights now depend on where you live in the country until either the SCOTUS one days takes it up or some sort of Title IX changes force it.
With this court the country might be better off without them weighing in. Those fucks are likely to make it so the whole country has even more hostile laws.
Wouldn’t want to reveal any bigotry during an election year.
Have you ever seen an election year?
Revealing the bigotry is basically the point. Trump talked about immigrants poisoning the blood of the country and it made him more popular.
If he gets even more than 74 million votes this year, I’m going to shit a whole pallet of bricks
Pretty sure they don’t give a shit about revealing bigotry when ever they feel like it. In fact it’s a feature for the right
If the lower courts are divided, isn’t it the job of the Supreme Court to make it clear?
They kinda have made it clear though. By rejecting the appeal, they’re saying that the 7th Circuit Court’s decision stands.
Except the Fourth Circuit went the other direction with an almost identical Florida school policy, so the question of “Is it ok under the US Constitution for schools to force transgender students to use a particular bathroom?” has a different answer depending on where you live, which is the exact kind of thing the Supreme Court is supposed to deal with.
Yeah, well, SCOTUS hasn’t ever been real good at upholding the spirit of the 14th Amendment. I can reel off a long long list of things that SHOULD be the same no matter where you live but somehow aren’t.
This article you linked - it gives good reasons why a circuit split is not a problem here. I support trans rights - as I assume you do - but don’t think your point is as well-made as you thought.
Isn’t the Florida case in alignment with the Chicago one? The courts ruled for the transgender kid in both.
Except that they aren’t overriding the other courts, so really they are saying that it’s up to every circuit to set their own standard.
They’re basically saying it’s grey when trying to apply the constitution to the issue, giving regions their own jurisdiction. It’s how it’s supposed to work, like it or not.
But circuit judges are appointed federally, by the president. They’re not voted on regionally, so they do not represent the will of the region they preside over.
Typically, yes. Now, not so much.
They’re saving all their energy for the upcoming craziness if/when Trump is elected President while in prison.
“Legal precedent would make it almost impossible for us to avoid standing up for a transgender person if we took this case and we couldn’t possibly have that.”
I thought they’ve made it clear that they don’t believe in precedent
I wish there were more non-gendered restrooms.
The one’s I’ve been to usually has shared sinks and has stalls that fully enclosed, as in you can’t look under the stall. Most restrooms in the US, you can see under the stall in front and from an adjacent stall.
And the urinals is usually in a separate area of the restrooms.
Always think its odd they want someone like this or this in the women’s washroom…
Ultimately, what it boils down to is that they want to force trans people to de-transition, go back into the closet, and hopefully kill themselves. The pain and aggravation caused by these stupid bathroom laws is quite literally the point.
The cruelty is the point… They don’t want us to exist
It’s really fucking stressful being under a bathroom law. There aren’t correct choices. It’s supposed to be either committing a misdemeanor or getting the shit kicked out of you.
I’m really sorry you’re going through that. It sucks, and I can only hope that as the future inevitably progresses, things improve.
My son is trans (FtM). We’re lucky to live in a sane state that doesn’t have this bathroom bill garbage. But my heart goes out to those that do.
That’s a slippery slope.
Most of the women I see who have an opinion on this are afraid of men sharing their bathrooms. They have a legitimate fear of men that borders on and often crosses over into sexism.
Trans women aren’t men, and every time I see someone insist that their anecdotal reports of women terrified that the bathroom stall next to them might contain a trans woman, they invariably fail to cough up any actual statistics on it. Maybe you’ll be different.
In any event, this is someone born with a vagina:
Do you think that person should use the women’s restroom?
It’s like killing yourself because in physics they teach v=s/t instead of v=ds/dt. Cruelty. Clearly, v=s/t doesn’t work.
I really don’t get it. If you have a penis you would like to use a urinal. If you don’t you wouldn’t.
Stand to pee devices exist and are pretty common. Some people have prosthetic set-ups. Some folks have even had bottom surgery and can stand. Not to hard to use a urinal, although I’ve never used a men’s bathroom that didn’t have a stall in it.
The cruelty is that I am a man. I have about two inches of beard and a mat of chest hair that peeks through a t-shirt. I’m not out at work, I’m not out at restaurants, I’m not out really in any setting that doesn’t require me being nekkid. Requiring me to use the women’s bathroom because I don’t have a penis would require me to cause a massive scene - am I supposed to drop my pants to prove I’m in the “correct” restroom? My drivers license says male on it, do I need to carry around my birth certificate to use the bathroom?
Your physics example is extremely poorly formed. I’ve taught physics for years and have no idea what you’re trying to convey.
How is it possible that you have beard without men genitals?
I’ve been taking testosterone injections for roughly ten years. They are prescribed to me, I inject myself in the thigh once a week. I experienced male puberty. My voice cracked and dropped. I slowly developed stubble that developed into a terrible patchy beard, and with time the ability to grow a fairly decent one.
It’s entirely possible to have a beard without injections or testicles - conditions like PCOS can cause fluctuations in hormone levels. Some women are just naturally hairy, human bodies are complicated 🤷♂️
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upheld an order granting transgender boys access to the boys’ bathroom.
Why is it only focusing on 1 gender?
Probably because the lawsuit was filed on behalf of a transgender boy.
The case originally required John R. Wooden Middle School in Martinsville to allow a seventh-grader identified only as A.C. to have access to the restroom while litigation continued.
