I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Absolutely
i’ll worry about it if and when it happens. i have wasted too much time, energy and resources worrying and catastrophizing about things i cannot control.
Not a bad idea to consider a plan though. If you’d want to move away, that’s a major decision that is best made through research and deliberation, not in a fearful rush to escape.
So in other words, you plan to let yourself and your family be killed so you can feel better.
The “stick head in sand” method has become extremely popular and it is a serious problem.
Be killed??? Look, I know Trump is nutso, but why in the world would him being president again equate to someone’s family being killed??
Dunno know. Maybe they are immigrants and will end up in some camp, maybe they are trans and someone will murder them, maybe they are Jewish or muslim and someone will shot up their temple, maybe they are Asian and someone will push them right into the subway tracks, maybe they will work in the service industry and be forbidden from wearing a mask, maybe they are diabetic and lose their Obamacare coverage for insulin…
What the fuck can I do? Just be even more depressed about the state of the country
Not everyone has the luxury of uprooting their lives when a fascist comes.
Yeah so many in the thread are like “duh I just moved, easy”
Yeah ok easy for you
Wait till you hear about Latin America!
Wait till you hear about my beloved Argentina.
Yeah, few actually moved away when Biden was placed into power
LET’S BURN THIS MOTHER DOWN!
I’ll get the kerosene
Lose my last shred of faith in this country, mostly
Looool look at this guy, he still has some faith left
Kicking him out did restore a nonzero amount yes.
I already moved. It’s not just Trump that’s the problem, and even if he loses in 2024, or does in office, the issues still will persist. America needs to figure out how to make the judicial system work properly and norms need to be codified. Vast swaths of the population need to change their culture of “us vs them”.
I won’t be going back, the way things work with Republicans, you can’t just move to a blue state, you have to move out of the country.
Where’d you land, out of curiosity?
A quick
doxxingsearch of OP’s comment history suggests New Zealand❤️
Thank you for allowing me to delegate my stalking
No problem, Eric
Great solution
Well, I’ve got some rope, a candlestick, a revolver, a lead pipe and a nice knife; I wanted to keep my options open.
We playing Clue?! I’ll be Prof. Plum!
I’m Colonel Mustard!
I want to be Tim Curry!
We all do, bud. Get to the back of the line.
A typical Fallout loot inventory
How does one off themself with a candlestick
to continue to live my life
How, when being targeted, jailed or killed under fascism?
I would simply shoot anyone who attempted to do any of that to me or anyone else in my care. We should all be prepared to defend ourselves, rather than give in to oppression.
#iamverybadass
You’re damn right. I’m the kind of man that most men wish they could be.
Trump isn’t going to target everyone. It’s literally impossible for him to do that.
Not all at once. Fascists target a series of out groups, starting with the most marginalized, making the in group smaller and smaller. The more of the rich white cisgender heterosexual Christian male boxes you check, the further down the list you probably are, but you will be targeted eventually.
Assumes he gets a third term, though, and that will not happen without a civil war or massive protests unrest. It also ignores the amount of legal challenges he’ll get, and the Supreme Court can’t rule on all of them.
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Chill out, dude. I’m not voting for a Republican in a state or national election any time soon. I’m of the opinion that Trump is a puppet controlled by other Republicans given the fact that Angela Merkel had to explain to Trump 11 times that he has to make trade deals with the EU and not Germany.
The fact that you resort to insults first and communication last (just like hardcore Republicans, by the way) is what’s gonna make the left lose elections and make America worse off.
I am not so sure he is such a puppet. Care to explain? A lot of high flying republicans seem to fear him.
From my limited knowledge of other Republicans, they probably fear his influence and reach. The thing about Trump, though, is that every time I read a recollection of some high-level conversation between him and another qualified official, he always seems clueless. For example, in a 2021 interview, Fauci said that Trump would believe personal anecdotes from “friends” despite Fauci explaining multiple times that anecdotes are less trustworthy than scientific studies:
It was always, “A guy called me up, a friend of mine from blah, blah, blah.” That’s when my anxiety started to escalate.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/24/health/fauci-trump-covid.html
He’s a puppet because he lacks media literacy and lacks an understanding of logical reasoning, and as a result, he’s easily manipulated by other people with stuff like conspiracy theories. Republicans might fear him because he will win. I fear him because he will make bad decisions not purely out of malice but out of a lack of due diligence and understanding of the effects of his actions.
Voting.
Local. State. Federal. Like I always have. I also moved out of a “shithole” state in the words of our treasonous former president.
With China having a severe gender imbalance and a massive generation (age) imbalance, it’s going to cause all sorts of problems for them soon. Big, big fucking problems. And Russia just had all their young men flee, die stupidly, or decide Russia might not be the best place after they’ve released shittons of violent offenders, lol. Russia’s future looks dim at best. Iran isn’t looking too healthy either.
So the bottom line is this: no matter where you go, you aren’t outrunning a shift to a multipolar world, especially one where resources like fresh water and food will be getting more scarce as climate change fucks the world and countries get more desperate, particularly authoritarian ones that are losing a tenuous grip on their people. That shit always causes wars, because humans are too fucking stupid to prioritize science in any other context.
Countries with democracy and immigration and the means to defend themselves and their friends are your best bet. Our fate and your own fate are intrinsically linked because of that.
I imagine a number of famous people will talk about how they’re moving to Canada, and don’t.
Same as I’ve been doing since he won last time. Stay in my more liberal home state, extend understanding to friends and relatives who live in conservative states, extend invitations to the few who might need to move to keep themselves safe. Keep donating and volunteering with the organizations I’ve been supporting.
I have a friend who is thinking about seeking asylum in the US. I have encouraged her to weigh her other options; there are other countries where she has friends and family that might be more welcoming to her. If Trump gets elected, I’m not sure she’ll even have a viable path to the US.
With that group of asshats it all depends on one important criteria for your friends acceptance:
Fortunate enough to also have EU citizenship, so I’ve already made arrangements to leave the country in that case. Will keep voting from overseas, though.
Inb4 voting from overseas becomes illegal as a result of some rage filled GOP bill about illegals
Republicans are trying their damnedest to make voting illegal and/or overly burdensome even within the United States, so good luck there.
Why would you leave because of this though?
I’m just not interested in living in the US under a second Trump presidency. Such a presidency would run against everything I stand for and against everything I want for myself, my family, and my kids.
I hear you but that’s a bit dramatic. Imagine if everybody who disagreed with the presidential vote just ran away…
Trump is openly spouting fascist talking points and his followers are cheering him on. This is not a normal election.
And if everybody who disagree fled the country, they’d be handing it over on a silver platter…
And do you think that would not embolden other countries to follow suite?
It’s fucking stupid and a cowards way to get pissy and run away. And to disrupt your lives because of some made up shit you think is going to happen? You’re just as delusional as magats…
Trump is an insane narcissist and he’s been talking like a fascist for a long time. And he has a lot of supporters who are willing to go to extremes to defend him. To me, he’s a symptom of an extremely unhealthy society, and I think a lot of people would leave under a second Trump presidency if they could.
I can, so I will if that happens.
Yeah and the only logical solution you can think of is to run away? You’re all so out of touch with reality…
I have the option and I’ll choose to move out if Trump comes back. Absolutely.
But please do enlighten us about your suggestions.
Idk don’t uplift your life and run away? Stay and keep fighting? If you bail when things get bad and want to come back after they get better, then just stay wherever you go.
Shrug
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From the outside the whole thing seemed to be an absolute circus act. People getting increasingly polarised, constant (pretty much daily) news about something fucking stupid he’s either said, done or something disgusting one of his cronies had been involved in.
Glad it is amusing for you.
Amusing? No. Dismay is more I’d say. It’s reverberated across the pond here and our politicians have been doing very similar stuff and getting away with it.
Its a time honored american tradition to shoot someone wearing red clothing thats trying to tell everyone what to do
Not Santa!
Idk I hear they have alters to him being put up in government buildings
HAIL SANTA!
I’ll sigh, shake my head, and think, “That figures”. And then I’ll go to work, like every other day.
This but perhaps crippling depression as well.
Voting is important, I also like to think about other tangible ways to build power - like what is power? It’s being able to eat, having a place to live, having healthcare, saying what I want, associating with who I want, deciding how I spend my time.
I think about how the Mondragon complex, probably the largest worker cooperative in the world, started in Franco’s Spain, and turned one of the poorest regions into one of the wealthiest.
I’d like to think I would stay and work to gain more power for myself and my peers - I want to stay and join/start a worker cooperative. I want to see a massive ecosystem of worker owned enterprises, which will translate to tangible power. Getting organized means being better able to fight off the kind of oppression Trump promises.
Nothing I can do. Just do my best to finish out at college (assuming financial aid is still a thing) and move out of the country ASAP.
Move out of the country, *and still have to pay taxes 😂
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Its also weird to see outside America. In Europe you pay taxes on where you work, not because you are a citizen.
Agreed. Billionaires should be able to move around money to escape social responsibilities. Good job
Could give up your citizenship
What countries would even take U.S. migrants though?
And Americans would wind up being abused abroad by those who seek to give the U.S. retribution for the way it treats those who run away to it.
A lot of countries have tax treaties with each other as long as they’re in good standing with each other, so that people only need to pay tax in one country (in the case where one maintains citizenship in one country while working in another). Unless you’re making a shit ton of money to the point you’re subject to different rules, it’s highly unlikely you’ll be double taxed
Probably get sent to a concentration camp. Dunno if California will secede from the union to preserve human rights, if it comes between secession or letting the DHS collect all our immigrants and non-trad women.
Nah California won’t leave. It is about power structure. Since leaving has no chance of success no one running things will go along with it.
Yeah, you’re right. What I can see California do, assuming it wants to stay a progressive bulwark, is act like Texas when Texas is feeling independent, and start asserting legal resistance to its contribution to federal revenues. Also, the legalization of cannabis is getting pushed through independent states unwilling to enforce federal law or cooperate with federal law enforcement. California may just do that, forcing the federal government to send its agents to do its own policing.
This is going to be an interesting civil war.
So they make a lot of noise significant of nothing. Also can you really see Cali national guard willing to fire on the US troops? I know I would refuse that order and let whatever happened to me happened to me, because yeah I don’t want certain death.
There has to be a chance of winning and outright revolt doesn’t have that chance. Texas morons make a lot of noise but they don’t do anything. Cannabis is not comparable since it was just states refusing to enforce federal law not them nullifying it. We already know what happens when the federal government does immigration roundups, they do it all the time and no state opposes it.
It would be fascinating to see if US troops would be willing to fire on California national guard. Do you imagine the US Army or the USMC would be willing to face off against Americans on American soil? We don’t know if generals would give the order, questioning its legality, and we’re also not sure boots on the ground would be willing to fire against their own countrymen.
Of course the Heritage Foundation is already trying to change this by rotating out those loyal to the United States with those loyal to the GOP and the Christian Nationalist movement.
But yes, several states already don’t cooperate with the CBP or ICE, and we get regular reports of the atrocities committed by both departments. ICE is, interestingly, part of DHS and was created after the DHS was founded as immigrant hunters, and commits the same kind of misconduct that was routine in the Sicherheitsdienst. Law enforcement throughout the US is already captured, even if the state national guards are not. (And after George W. Bush’s efforts to create an army of Christ within our ranks, they might be compromised as well. But I haven’t followed the program that far.)
Seek help, you’ve been radicalized
What nonsense. Do you actually believe in those fantasy hysterics?
