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The local reenactors’ reading out the Grievances this year certainly hits a bit different.
Thank you comrade <3
The US government causes so much suffering across the world. The ability of the world to still distinguish between estadounidense and our institutions is cherished.
Thank you! #solidarityforever
I’m not very hopeful, maybe they will watch a tv show or play a videogame about revolting.
Okay but i was finishing watching ‘andor’ last week and fell behind on chores like keeping my window seals good (the tape flexes and sometimes unsticks with the summer heat) and the tear gas started leaking in and it was so annoying.
So, you know, it’s almost as good.
As you can see, the hundredth monkey effect seems more like spitting in one hand and wishing in the other.
The revolution in question: endless amount of protests that are supported by “progressive bilionaires” like il Duce intended
Kinda wish they didn’t have an actual revolution yet, cause at this point all it’d cause is a fuckton of deaths just to put a group like democrats back in power, then for reactionaries to go back into power democratically a couple years later. People there are genuinely blind to their predicament still, thinking the problem is just Trump.
I know in a few cities in CA tgat i have any vibe check on, the dems, especially after trying so hard to ratfuck zohran the destroyer, do not have much good will
Gotta any specific billionaires you think are paying protestors?
A prominent recent example is Christy Walton paying to promote the No Kings protest.
Though I do think I worded my comment a bit poorly I admit, meant it more in a collaborating with billionaires type of deal as opposed to right-wing conspiracies where protestors are paid by foreigners or some shit
We need to grow our numbers! The only way we can do that is with continued non-violent organized protest. Violence will only reduce our numbers and suppress our resistance.
Erica Chenoweth has a very well researched presentation on the success of non-violent resistance overthrowing dictatorships with only 3.5% of the population. I highly recommend it.
Come out today for the Free America protest! We also have the Good Trouble Lives On protest on July 17th.
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America is too violent. Any turn that involves racial justice or queer rights will be resisted with staggering violence. Anything that liberates children. Anything that sevures womens’ rights or reduces the power if the church.
Hell, anything that tries to cut police funding or end slavery would be stepped on so hard. It will not be nonviolent, though many non violent things are also necessary to get a good outcome. I wish the choice of whether things get violent or not were ours, but it simply isn’t.
Getting slaughtered serenely is not peaceful or nonviolent. Its masochistic.
such a disgusting rhetoric to peddle non-violence while promoting 50501, a white supremacist organization that hires veterans in “peacekeeping” roles to shoot antifascists and anyone who’s not white.
playing peace police is inherently a violent act because taking a stand against all the oppressed people who respond back in the only language that the state understands reinforces white supremacist systems.
instead of supporting libs that cooperate with state repression and enable fascism, donate to Gamboa’s legal fund, join anti-authoritarian grassroots orgs and support your local antifascists.
The only way we can do that is with continued non-violent organized protest. Violence will only reduce our numbers and suppress our resistance.
I emphatically reject these claims. Both nonviolent and violent resistance is necessary, and in fact they need to collaborate. The following quote from the Black Catalyst Revolt Guide is relevant:
If we are to learn from the successful movements of the past, we can see that all successful pressure has been the collusion of the peaceful and non-peaceful aspects of the movement, such that the peaceful party can lobby the state to concede, saying to them “now see? Wouldn’t you rather deal with me than them? Sit down and make some concessions to those suffering people.” Meanwhile, the non-peaceful protesters escalate the aggression of their actions such as to put a clock on the state. Direct action should therefore not be seen as a chaotic byproduct to be avoided. It should instead be seen as a necessity as to extract outcomes for the movement. Ultimately, if the demands of the protests are not met, revolution should be the threat. In this way, we are to transform the government to our whims, not vise versa.
You should watch the Eric’s Chenowith video that was linked in the above comment
Heard of them, read their stuff years ago, really unimpressed.
Digging up and cherry picking evidence for things you already believe is not a scientific approach, it just feels slimy. Chenoweth is a red flag imo, and not kind that says ‘im probably okay in bed, and masturbate to how I’ll murder you once we’re done killing the fascists’
Yeah I’ll get around to it, although I’ve heard that claim before and I don’t disagree with the need for mass mobilization, some of which is going to be nonviolent. But IMO the nonviolent parts of the revolt need to collaborate with the violent parts of the revolt!
Her research shows why that’s likely wrong. Definitely check it out!
This honestly smells like the white washed “civil rights era” mentality that pretends nonviolence is the only strategy for positive change. MLK Jr. was inspired by Gandhi’s nonviolent movement, but he was well aware of the violent side of that story. After Gandhi was ignored and imprisoned, his mass movement turned violent, accomplishing the actual change.
Dr. King’s strategy was to be a “reasonable black person” with the unspoken promise that white lawmakers would have to deal with “unreasonable” black people should they ignore him. It’s why anti rioting legislation was passed hand in hand with civil rights legislation. They capitulated, but also looked to set up barriers to violence in the future.
The militarization of the police over the past half century can be seen as an extension of those anti rioting measures. Liberals want us to believe that nonviolence is our only tool, because that allows them to ignore our nonviolent efforts without fear of reprisal. The people we should direct our ire to aren’t just the fascists, but the pro-police politicians in general.
Okay, I watched their Ted talk. The red flag for me is the clean separation of revolts into either strictly violent or strictly nonviolent. It is my view that a more careful study of the history of all the revolts labeled successful and partially successful would reveal that many if not all of those revolts succeeded because of the complementary (if not collaborative) efforts of both nonviolent and violent protests. History glorifies the nonviolent protesters because they’re easy to lionize, without any of the ethical complexities that violent protests invite.
IMO it seems like they went in looking for a hypothesis and managed to spin the statistics to justify it. I’ll look into their research as I’m sure it goes into more detail, but I’m so far not convinced.
Violent resistance is a great way to get arrested or killed, scare people away from resistance for fear of their safety, and embolden fascism by turning a constitutionally protected peaceful resistance into a domestic threat.
How many people with guns do you estimate it takes to overthrow the largest military in the world by force?
Violent resistance can be justified against violent oppression
It’s not a question that it’s morally justified. My point is that it’s not legal. Don’t walk into a trap set by the dumbest president in the history of the United States.
There are skin tones and sexual orientations that are effectively and soon to be formally illegal. There are genders that are illegal.
Exercising your ‘first amendment rights’ is a great way ro get the cops to shoot at you. Doing it without a mask is a great way to commit suicide by putting two in the back of your head.
Fuck your privileged boot licking bullshit.
I’m not concerned if its legal or not
I am. Your nearsighted emotional actions will impact our strategic plan to grow our numbers on the streets. There is no login in accelerating a movement when we have yet to acquire the numbers.
Peace police kept me out of movements for so many years. I know many ithers who can say the same. Juat because youre a masochistic coward, doesn’t mean anyone else is.
strategic plan
You mean your 50501 fed op? Any movement that supports the idea of America will always enable the very system of oppression you seek to end.
nearsighted emotions
Once you realize that fascists don’t give a shit about if something is “legal” or not, then you’ll realize they aren’t nearsighted. Its ok I used to think like you, give it time.
Violent resistance is a great way to get arrested or killed, scare people away from resistance for fear of their safety
Same with nonviolent resistance! Worse for nonviolent resistance! Did you see what the pigs did to those protesters in LA? All over the country during the No Kings protests?!?
and embolden fascism by turning a constitutionally protected peaceful resistance into a domestic threat.
Fascists don’t need to be emboldened. They are already fully monsters. No matter how peacefully you protest, the fascists will treat you as if you revolted.
How many people with guns do you estimate it takes to overthrow the largest military in the world by force?
Not as many as you think! Remember Vietnam?
I mean embolden through legislation. Becoming a domestic threat justifies implementation of curfews, and potential suspension of assembly rights for the needs of public safety.
Vietnam was successful because we were forced to attack on unfamiliar territory. You’re suggesting bringing violence to them, right? We’re not talking about pulling a “Home Alone” on ICE.
Becoming a domestic threat justifies implementation of curfews, and potential suspension of assembly rights for the needs of public safety.
No it absolutely does not justify that stuff. Being a threat to the powerful is not the same as being a threat to the average person.
Vietnam was successful because we were forced to attack on unfamiliar territory. You’re suggesting bringing violence to them, right?
I’m suggesting that the working class defends itself against the capitalist using a diversity of tactics, including violence if necessary and possibly a revolt, and that violence is necessary. On average, these fascist fucks don’t know our homes, our neighborhoods, our cities, or our wilderness as well as we do. I think there is a chance of winning if we organize as groups willing to fight.
We’re not talking about pulling a “Home Alone” on ICE.
I’m not against that 😈🏴
Not in your mind, maybe, but legally it’s the same thing. Violence will be used as justification to enact legislation that will restrict our resistance. Just look at how the early morning vandals and looters in LA got the city to enact a curfew, and they weren’t even part of the protest.
No, legally too, they will use your protest as justification if a sufficiently rowdy one cannot be exhibited. And then when your protest ceases to exist, they’ll fabricate an incident to justify escalation.
The people in charge are already fully monsters who will wield the law as needed to get their dirty work done, regardless of how peacefully you protest, regardless of how perfect a victim you make yourself, regardless of what the law says.
Organisation overthrows regimes, not protests. Ends are an entirely different issue
Correct. Right now the largest organized movement is a protest. Violence will reduce our ability to continue to grow those numbers.
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