These dumb fuckers STILL haven’t figured out the Streisand effect.
Who owns the app that gets the location data of every illegal immigrant? Maye they do know the Streisand effect.
While you’re right to be skeptical, if they just wanted to collect data they would have an Android version. And their stated reason for not supporting it, is that push notifications on Android would require them to at store device-IDs, which they want to avoid for privacy reasons and being vulnerable to subpoenas.
There are easier ways to get that data without having to trick people into downloading an app. Trump has palantir and Israel in his pocket. He already knows where they all are. The app just lets us all know where they are.
Trump doesn’t like playing a fair game because he can’t win those.
Only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.
Did anyone else notice that you couldn’t use this on an Android device because it it may put the people who use it at risk?For shame AndroidDeveloper may not actually understand how phones work
Yeah, but I think it’s also because Republicans are downloading it and using it to spread fake ice raid claims, to confuse. So, I don’t think the numbers are necessarily because people hate ice or whatever.
Guess we’ll see.
She said that there’s been a 500 percent increase against ICE agents who are just “trying to do their jobs and remove public safety threats from… communities.”
Exactly what the Nazis who ran extermination camps claimed.
Exactly. Basically "wahhhh this is making it harder for the kidnappers to kidnap people!! stop using the app they’re just trying to do their jobs pls feel sorry for them 😭 "
Well, when you kidnap people in the street assaults against you can happen.
It’s so blatant as if theyre using an instruction manual or something 🤔
Stephen Miller is basically a Nazi
Stephen Miller is basically a Nazi
He’s a fucking JEWISH Nazi - which is the worst kind of self loathing Nazi.
He’d be the first in the showers when the real Nazis come to town.
He’s a pathetic loser.
Stephen Miller is exactly a Nazi
I loathe and despise using percentages like this.
500% sounds super scary, but is meaningless without providing the baseline. If there was only one instance before and now there’s 5 it isn’t a significant increase but 500% sure sounds scary.
Worse still it’s not even clear what is being discussed. It implied “violence” but that is a wide range from just pushing to serious shooting.
% can also be misleading when a scale is arbitrary. A temperature increase measured in Fahrenheit will be a rather different % when converted to Kelvin.
Sadly I haven’t heard of any ICE officers getting shot in the line of duty.
ICE also keep getting caught on camera lying about being threatened before they start beating some innocent
We all know that cops will try to charge you with assaulting them if you so much as shrug while being arrested. And they’ll contrive situations just so they can do that. I’d say that makes their statistics meaningless without specific details and proof.
“Just following orders…”
Unjust, following orders
someone on bsky did the match and found out that 700% increase is still only like 70 incidents (i forget who it was that posted it)
The devs don’t really seem to have a clue about smartphone.
https://bsky.app/profile/grapheneos.org/post/3lt2prfb2vk2rThanks for the heads up.
Saw it wasn’t on F-Droid and was going to ask for source page (to get through Obtanium), but looks like they’re allergic to android and derivates. Appreciate you pointing to references.
…iOS forces uses Apple services including getting apps through Apple…
Can’t speak to the rest of the claims, but Android practically does too. If one has to sideload an app, you’ve lost 99% of users, if not more.
It makes me suspect they’re not talking about the stock systems OEMs ship.
Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/2501/
It makes me suspect they’re not talking about the stock systems OEMs ship.
The developers of GrapheneOS, an independent, security-oriented Android distribution are probably not only talking about stock OEM Android. What they’re saying is true about stock OEM android though.
That’s a separate issue from whether users are forced to get all their software from a specific source, which is also separate from whether users will actually use other sources when given the option.
On Android, developers can offer users a way to install an app that isn’t easily traced to their identity and on iOS they can’t. Furthermore, an Android app can be both on the Play store and available from other sources; there’s no exclusivity.
You got that “tracked to their identity” opposite around. The reason why there is no Android App is, if the phone gets “found” the data about the user/owner is an open book.
This is not one of the claims made by the ICEBlock developers; their claims are only to do with notifications.
If you want to claim that a locked Android device is substantially easier for law enforcement to break in to than a locked iPhone, please cite up-to-date (from 2025) sources.
Glad others have pointed this out. Their “reasons” for not supporting 70% of worldwide smartphones via Android seemed very suspect.
I think he thinks HE had to store the information, and if he isn’t the one storing it, it’s anonymous.
Except, on Android, you can also do it where only google stores the information and he doesn’t have to store any. And there are no user name or passwords or accounts involved to listen to specific channels like he claims.
You can collect this information, and you’d be able to write a more custom push service, but it isn’t needed at all, but Google and Apple will always know who is getting the messages.
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Think about that for a second. Immigration and Customs Enforcement by definition involves at least one border and 2 countries. Even if they only went after American citizens (which they’re trying to do), they’d be deporting you somewhere else.
As it is, I suspect a significant number of at-risk people in the US and their advocates use Android.
Because visitors to the US don’t tend to be from the US, that’s only logical
Lol, called it.
Incompetence and false bravado is all but guaranteed with development teams. Especially when it’s closed source, not audited, and has minimal room for feedback loops.
You don’t even need to audit a closed source app to know that Apple knows which devices its sending pushes to. It works because they know.
And how would they know that? That would mean push notifications would go via an Apple Server. Wich a) makes no sense b) can be masquerade so that the server does not know who talks to whom c) the meta information and the notification can be deleted timely
On the other hand, I guess most Android “low level” peer to peer apps go via FireBase?
All push notifications go through APNS on apple. That’s Apple Push Notifications Service.
APNS requires the device to authenticate with it and can uniquely identify the device by an id. Its how it sends messages to devices.
Firebase cloud messaging acts the same way for true push notifications.
You don’t need to audit a device using APNS or FCM on Android to know that it is not anonymous.
“He’s giving a message to criminals where our federal officers are,” Bondi said. “…we are looking at it, we are looking at him, and he better watch out, because that’s not a protected speech. That is threatening the lives of our law enforcement officers throughout this country.”’
Actually, I believe it is protected speech. There are apps that let people know where speed traps are. You mean it’s not constitutionally protected to say to someone “hey, did you see the cop down on the corner?” Ridiculous. Of course, what she means to say is that the constitution doesn’t matter and laws are made up now, and they’re just going to do whatever the fuck they want. They’re just not quuuuuite ready to go through the trouble of literally setting the constitution on fire yet.
It is definitely not constitutional protected free speech. Because constitution has nothing to say in this matter. On the other hand there is no law restricting such speech either. Making a law against it, that is valid under the constitution, would be tricky however.
Making a law against it, that is valid under the constitution…
The part that says…
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assem- ble, and to petition the Government for a re- dress of grievances.
Make a law against the part that says not to make a law against it?
I mean, it’s idiotic and on message for Trump.
We need a federated equivalent. Anything centralized can be stopped.
Federation is an overly complicated solution it’s not required. It also wouldn’t actually help, they can still take it off the app store there’d be another one but they would just play whack-a-mole and you can achieve the same thing with open source.
The best bet would be to have the database hosted outside the US and just have apps that pull the data from an API. There’s no need for the app itself to store the data in fact that’s a really stupid way to do it. You could federate it if you wanted but honestly that’s probably unnecessary
Facepalm. If the App does not store the data in a 5 mile radius … how do you at least see the latest status when the power and internet is down?
I can’t tell if you’re serious or not.
If the internet is down then I don’t have access to the app store. Also if the internet’s down then the data is going to be out of date almost immediately anyway so any cached version would be useless.
Honestly yeah, if we can just torrent the database and have it stored outside the U.S then it’s good
At the very least I hope it’s hosted by someone outside the US so it’s out of reach to the authorities.
For all we know the app might just be a honeypot itself
This is a genuine concern that we should recognize.
I’m about 99% confident it isn’t, but considering it is the kind of caution we should all be exercising these days.
- Is it open source? (No)
- Is it’s publishing and build pipeline open? (No)
- Can anyone audit it? (No)
- Does the author make unreliable claims of privacy? (Yes)
- Does the author detail how data privacy and security is implemented? (No)
It’s probably not a honeypot. But it’s also likely to be negligent enough in implementation that it might as well be.
How would we learn either way if it was or wasn’t?
Someone knowledgeable enough would be able to figure out where every upload is going, I’d wager. But that would take Someone that is knowledgeable enough, as well as willing to expose an app like that given the potential consequences.
When the feds come for you for using it
Federated application for a map with markers and notes?
It seems for me that this would be too narrow a purpose.
Maybe a general-purpose public notification map. With some functionality allowing to separate markers by their authors and by tags. Or it can be spammed with bogus markers. By tags - well, for it to be general-purpose. By authors - because moderation can’t be left to instance admins.
And, of course, I’m personally for separation of moderation, instance ownership, identities and hosting, but my own toy attempt showed me that the logic of checking the chain of privilege delegation is kinda PITA. That is, separating identities from instances is not that hard. And communities. What’s hard is the community owner delegating rights to other identities, and in general authorized actions. It’s a task of determining which privileges does an identity currently possess, and how does it affect its own actions on the community, and in which order should those be processed … Everything is harder than it seems. Sad.
So federation is fine LOL.
Why too narrow of a use case?
Imagine federation with text linked to other text, that’d be crazy, right?
Wait, it’s actually more complicated than that 🤔
But FR using existing federated protocols to build something like this is EXACTLY what the protocols are for. You don’t need to implement the federation yourself, you can use an existing network
Good. I hope they’re terrified. The same as their victims
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Your wife is going to be grabbed out of your home and thrown into an unmarked SUV and you will never see her again. And you’ll let it happen because you would rather be a slave to a regime than confront the fact that you’re wrong.
Have you not seen all the people whose legal latina wives have been abducted off the street, shoved into packed prisons and then shipped off to some random country?
Obvious troll is obvious
I don’t think everybody who makes a bad claim is a troll. A lot of people just are that stupid.
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I agree. ICE are complete cowards for hiding thier faces.
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Send & Receive alerts about ICE raids and activity in your area. Stop ICE Alerts Network works with technology already built into your phone without the need to download an app.
This is the way.
You’ve still got to connect to their servers and they can monitor who connects to what.
I wouldn’t trust it without a non-US based VPN. We should assume anything in the US is compromised by the fed, and that they are watching.
they can monitor who connects to what.
They can also not do that.
We should assume anything in the US is compromised by the fed
International VPNs are not immune from US subpoena.
international VPNs are not immune from US subpoena
And condoms are only 98% effective.
A condom and VPN work on the same principle: a layer of protection. No protection is ever 100% effective, but you can at least try.
Remember, they’re already building the camps. It’s only a matter of time before “helping illegals” is a crime that gets you sent to the camps. I’d rather make the fascists work for it at least.
And condoms are only 98% effective.
Your analogy doesn’t make sense. It would be more apt to say “condoms from Walmart can be compromised!” but it makes no sense because they can be compromised anywhere. If you think shopping somewhere else means they won’t be compromised, that’s not logical.
It’s not to say that you shouldn’t use them, it’s to say that you shouldn’t judge them based on the geographical location they’re acquired.
Stop lice!
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Expected this after recent news articles criticizing it for hurting ICE officers.
Is there an android version?
Fire works on Android and is meant to do basically the same thing. I saw someone post it in another thread, but haven’t explored it in depth.
There is not and it is due to privacy implications. You can read more on their site about it and ALSO, there are fake Android apps of this that they caution you to not install. As of now, there is no Android version and unlikely unless Android fixes the way notifications work to not have any account or privacy issues for such an app.
Incompetence is not a “privacy implication”. You think Apple servers are beyond reach of US warrants?
This is not true. https://bsky.app/profile/grapheneos.org/post/3lt2prfb2vk2r
Well, who knows what is true and what not. I never knew that Push Notifications go via Apple, and not via the network operator. Definitely wrong is GraphenOS’s claim that Android does not allow access to the device id. Of course it does. For what reason would the ID exist if it does not? No idea if you need it for a FB message/notification though.
who knows what is true and what not.
Lots of people do.
Definitely wrong is GraphenOS’s claim that Android does not allow access to the device id.
That’s not what it says.
No idea if you need it for a FB message/notification though.
There has to be a way for Google/Apple to know which device to send the notif to.
Which part? Are you saying they have made an android version?
The link in the comment you’re replying to says which part is not true, but since you seem more willing to comment than to click a link and read, I’ll summarize:
The part about the Apple Push Notification service requiring less information that can identify an individual user than Google’s Firebase Cloud Messaging is not true. Both use a similar token system. Furthermore, it is possible to build android apps with notifications that do not use FCM.
they probably want to also make it as easy as possible for those who aren’t technologically savvy or whose native language isn’t english, though
Maybe they want that, but the statement on their website is not wrong on a technicality because it’s oversimplified; it’s wrong because it asserts a privacy difference between the two operating systems that does not exist.
It’s actually not possible to build a push service like FCM or APNS on Android and have it function at the same level as FCM. FCM has special permissions to bypass certain device states on the device to ensure message delivery that nothing else can match.
The best you can do is approximate it with an always active websocket and a foreground service always running with battery optimizations disabled, but good luck not having that foreground service shut down on occasion as well. Devices are hostile to them for battery saving purposes. You’d have the best luck with a Pixel device though for something like that. You could also do some sort of scheduled background polling, but the device can be hostile to that as well, and it would eat more battery.
Then don’t claim the reasoning is anonymity.
No, they are saying that Android and Apple both have a privacy issue on the same level.
It’s not on the same level. Android at least provides the option of using an alternative notification system, and also supports downloading apps from anywhere. Including places that don’t require an account.
Clearly it’s just safety minded individuals acquiring it. This app helps keep communities safe from unmarked armored vehicles filled with masked criminal cop impersonators.
