Next Summer they’ll show Black Hitler
I would not be surprised if that was the title of Kanye’s next album.
Hitlack or Blitler?
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Completely unrealistic and unwatchable. Suit needs to be tan.
Take it easy man, we do not want to over stage Citizen Kane, here.
Mr. Tan Suit would win best supporting actor, AND best costume design, by itself.
“Hollywood is crazy. The Last Samurai, staring Tom Cruise…?!”
The last Samurai is not played by Tom Cruise. He plays a guy who gets to know and grows to respect the last Samurai and Japanese culture.
Ken Watanabe as Lord Moritsugu Katsumoto, he plays the eponymous “Last Samurai.”
Clearly you have not even watched the damn movie. Or what is your point?
But we are all good with a black woman playing the real life British Anne Boleyn?
Man, can’t wait until we find out which white actor will play Barack Obama in his biopic. I mean, diversity is our strength.
1-You had to actually watch the full movie to get any of that context
2-It’s still Cruise’s face front and center on every piece of promotional art
3-As much as I hate that this is true, the vast majority of people who saw that movie did not do so because they heard Ken Watanabe was in it
Yeah, no confusion here.
- Who is in the habit of starting to watch a movie and like, walk out half way? Most people watch movies from beginning to end. Like what are you saying? People are not supposed to know every plot beat or point in a movie if they have never watched it or read the script.
Did you know that in the Avengers movie, they do not really or actually avenge anything? You would have to watch it to get that, I guess.
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Uh, so? It was an American production about an American fictitious character, starring one of the biggest, most recognised actors and movie draws of the last 35+ years. Fail to understand the point… Did you know that Japanese movies spotlight Japanese actors/characters on their covers even if the movie is set in the USA or Europe or deals with their culture? Is it incorrect when they do it?
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Why do you hate the fact that most Americans at the time did not know who Watanabe was? That’s nonsensical. It is not anyone’s job to know actors from other countries. Clearly, the biggest draw was Tom Cruise both in the USA and for the international market, he is still a huge draw, even today. I would say that most of the world did not know who Watanabe was, outside of Japan at that point. I would say that most people may not know who he is even today. Unless you point out the Last Samurai or the Godzilla or Batman movies first. Despite he being in tons of other projects, specially in Japan TV.
Edit: Lots of Watanabe haters here.
Just gonna leave this here. Not sure why the urge struck, but ah well! C’est la vie!
Uh, it’s a free country and neither of us are paying for the server space. Albeit I do not know why you want to be such a white supremacist or focus on that. But c’est la vie. You do you, friend! No judgement.
Maybe add a PIC of Watanabe. But if not, post a bunch more photos of Tom Cruise, his new movie is about to come out! More eyes on the ball, I say. Cheers!
This is the single biggest WHOOSH I’ve seen on the Internet since 2000. You are a legend.
So, you missed the link…? Or, just lost your sense of humor in the war?
ETA: when did i say that Tom Cruise was the last samurai…?
I have watched the movie. It shows a European in a role absolutely impossible in upper layers of Japanese society of that time.
Wrong again, friend. And on multiple counts. Albeit some creative liberties were taken, it was not a biopic after all, Cruise plays a character who is an amalgamation of this guy:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Brunet
And this guy:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugène_Collache
Both fought with the Bakufu and both earned high status, with Brunet achieving even a higher status still, along a position in Japanese society and government.
I invite you to read their wikis, albeit there are better writings on their adventures.
OK, thanks. I sometimes forget to check myself before forming a sentence in my mind.
what an incredibly refreshing comment to see online.
Respect++
Hollywood is a cult.
Blueberry pancakes are delicious.
Hmmm so you need woman of colour? Maybe Gal Gadot? /s
If Hollywood ever did a film about Gaza they would unironically use Gal Godot in the role of a Palestinian woman.
It also be “both sides have something to learn from each other!” Oscar bait a la Crash or Green Book.
Especially fucked seen as it sounds like negligence.
This is obviously a perfect role for Ryan Gosling
I think he is already scheduled to star in the MLK movie, so not sure he would have the time
AI Morgan Freeman
Why AI? Wtf, you made me think he died. Don’t do this to me.
They should get Lisa Kudrow to play Rosa Parks.
This is crazy, I mean Roberts is from the South and Tubman from the north, no one’s going to believe it!
True! It’s called acting for a reason.
The article led me down a rabbit hole leading to an article about the ghost in the shell movie adaptation promo meme generator being used to criticise the whitewashing in the movie adaptation
Fuck whitewashing
Am I the only one who doesn’t know who Harriet Tubman is?
Probably not, but she’s an important figure of the American history. The real question, though, is who will know about Harriet Tubman in a few years, once she gets erased from American history books.
At least people will be able to remember she looked like Julia Roberts
Elon Musk will build The Above Ground Railroad to save white South African immigrants from the tyranny of paying taxes.
The Above Ground Hyperloop
Yeah, she died in 1913, if she has not been erased in 112 years, and with people still wanting to make a movie about her…
Perhaps you may be leaning into conspiracy theories and are fear mongering yourself and others. Stop it.
Here, from Wikipedia:
Parks, monuments, and historical sites
National parks and national monuments related to Tubman in the United States are the Harriet Tubman Underground Railroad National Monument and the Harriet Tubman Underground Railroad National Historical Park, both in Maryland,[215] and the Harriet Tubman National Historical Park in Auburn.[216] The Salem Chapel in St. Catharines, Canada where Tubman worshipped, is a National Historic Site of Canada.[217]
The city of Auburn, New York has several historical sites related to Tubman, including her gravesite.[218][219] Other state and local historical sites about Tubman include the Harriet Tubman Underground Railroad State Park[220] and the Harriet Tubman Memorial Garden[221] in Maryland, and the Harriet Tubman Museum is in New Jersey.[222]
Artistic portrayals
Tubman is the subject of many works of art. Musicians including Woody Guthrie, Wynton Marsalis, and Walter Robinson have written songs celebrating her.[223] She is the subject of operas by Thea Musgrave,[224] Nkeiru Okoye,[225] and Hilda Paredes,[226] as well as plays by Carolyn Gage and a collaboration of May Miller and Willis Richardson.[227] Tubman is the focus of novels by Elizabeth Cobbs,[228] Marcy Heidish,[229] Anne Parrish,[230] and Bob the Drag Queen,[231] and is a character in novels by Terry Bisson,[232] Ta-Nehisi Coates,[233] and James McBride.[234]
Since Tubman’s life was first dramatized on television in a 1963 episode of the series The Great Adventure,[235] she has been portrayed in TV productions such as The Good Lord Bird,[236] Timeless,[237] Underground,[236] and A Woman Called Moses.[238] Cynthia Erivo received an Academy Award nomination for portraying Tubman in the 2019 biographical film Harriet.[239]
Dozens of schools,[247] streets and highways,[248] church groups, social organizations, and government agencies have been named after Tubman.[249] In 1944, the United States Maritime Commission launched the SS Harriet Tubman, its first Liberty ship named for a black woman.[211]
On November 11, 2024, Tubman was posthumously commissioned as a one-star general in the Maryland National Guard in recognition of her military service during the Civil War.[250]
First and foremost, you are side stepping my comment. She ain’t getting “erased.” You could admit to just being wrong there. Instead of moving the goal post.
First link: They are removing DEI stuff from NASA. We do not have to insert DEI into everything if it is not merited. They are not trying to “erase” people from history. DEI is based on political ideology that tends to be performative rather actually useful. Look at all the corporations that claims to support LGBT issues in the USA but say and do nothing in Muslim countries? Why? Because it is all a grift that people in the USA and other countries fall for. Search about the missing money from BLM, Something like half of the 90+ million is just gone. Mostly in houses, salaries to friends, family and crazy lifestyles, travelling. Up here in Toronto, the head of BLM embezzled like $100,000 from York University. Then claimed racism when they took her to court, backtracked that claim the day before the court date and said she would try to pay it back as a way to avoid possible jail. Merited credit is good, Tubman is not going anywhere.
Second link: They are returning the stuff to their rightful owners. They could just donate the items, if they wanted to and care so much about the history. As they claim. If it was part of the collection it would be up on display.
That’s not even close to a thought out response, just reactive defense of the current administration fascistic policies and desire to erase history.
Is it normal that they are removing women from military history?
Does the boot leather taste that great?
She’s the original free runner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1dhATC-ekQ
Does the phrase “underground railroad” mean anything to you?
Not everyone is from North America. That is like me asking you, does “Dr. Kwame Nkrumah” mean anything to you?
Tbh, it should. American educations don’t touch Africa barring a dip into Egypt, which usually compresses the dynasties in a way that does nothing for a deeper understanding. Even as someone with a BA in history, that watched the course listing like a hawk for “history of the Sahel” or “history of the Mali empire” or some lovely 3000-4000 course - nothing.
I should have been taught who Nkrumah was. And Léopold Senghor, and Kenyatta…
Instead, I lean on The Fate of Africa by Martin Meredith. Which is a good book, but by a journalist, not a historian.
If only that question was a direct response to someone talking about an American historical figure by name.
does “Dr. Kwame Nkrumah” mean anything to you?
C’mon, there are lots of NBA fans outside of the United States.
We call it the subway or the metro nowadays.
…no?
Okay, Harriet Tubman, born into slavery in the early 1800s, escaped slavery, probably best known today for making 13 trips to the South and guiding 70 slaves on their escape to free states via a system of secret routes, sympathizers and safe houses referred to as The Underground Railroad. Tubman went on to serve as a spy for the Union army during the American civil war, and was a figure in the women’s suffrage movement, surviving into the 20th century.
So, the fact that she was a black woman is kind of important to Harriet Tubman’s lore, and casting Julia Roberts in the role is rather inappropriate.
The Underground Railroad had nothing to do with actual trains, but they used a lot of railroad related terminology as code speak. Trail guides were referred to as “conductors,” safe houses were “stations,” etc. Very little of it was actually underground; I’m sure a few slaves hid in root cellars or caves along the way, but there were no tunnels. Escapees were sometimes carried by boat or train but most traveled on foot and/or by wagon. There’s a sort of folklore image of slaves traveling at night under the cover of darkness, navigating by the North Star. Allegedly, the song “Follow The Drinkin’ Gourd” was a slave song that contained coded instructions for navigating along the Underground Railroad by landmarks along the trail and by using Merak and Dubhe in Ursa Major to identify Polaris…I’m pretty sure this is 20th century embellishment to the story but it’s a prominent visual, kind of like Johnny Appleseed’s pot hat.
This bit of history is taught so widely in American schools that the term “underground railroad” has just become our word for a secret, grassroots network of routes, safe houses and guides for transporting refugees out of danger.
Here you go. She was a pretty amazing person. If you’re from the US and didn’t learn about her in school, your school failed you.
Congrats on being one of the lucky 10,000 learning something new, especially about a genuine hero!
Like the Eurostar
I do not get it. I just see 3 pictures of Tubman.
I want to argue but tbh it was so long ago that I don’t really see a difference
Oh god, it’s real.
It’s such an insane story that I wonder what the other side of it is. It’s easy to imagine the guy just having got out of a meeting ten minutes earlier with “if you don’t get Julia Roberts into a movie by the end of the week, I’ll see you never work in this town again!” ringing in his ears.
So it was 30 years ago. I feel like, even though things are far from perfect now, nowadays a comment like this would draw quite a few more critical looks than back then.
People in 1994 knew exactly how fucked this was.
Sure, but knowing how fucked something is and actually speaking out about it are two very different things.
It was also 30 years closer to Harriet Tubman, in a time when black civil rights were not even as sanded smooth as they appear now.
Why would you think that? I was around in 1994, and if anything, it got worse.
No, sorry. Go watch any sitcom from the nineties. There is a lot of stuff in there (racism, sexism, homophobia) that would cause a shitstorm these days.
Maybe you lived in a progressive bubble back then (good for you) but as someone born in the nineties who grew up in the early 00s, I have to say, ignorance was a lot more tolerated back then, even in the 00s.
100%.
Look up who Alec McGuiness played in Lawrence of Arabia.
Or look at Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany’s. Or Elizabeth Taylor in Cleopatra. Or John Wayne in Gengis Khan.
Or Elizabeth Taylor in Cleopatra.
Cleopatra was by ancestry mostly Greek. So I don’t get what you mean.
Most of her subjects weren’t quite “black” either.
Sorry for this interjection, but I hate wrong corrections, especially when they give up cute chains of thought like “queen of (hellenistic, that’s my own addition) Egypt -> Egypt’s in the African continent -> black”.
Yeah, the thing a lot of people seem to miss is just how major of a geographic barrier the Sahara is. As a consequence, northern Africans weren’t generally very black for most of history.
Or Emma Stone in Aloha, or Max Minghella in The Social Network, or Tilda Swinton in Doctor Strange.
Being rich doesn’t mean you’re smart.
The average Hollywood executive is really dumb, but they tend to be great talkers and networkers.
they tend to be great talkers and networkers
This is selling them a bit short. They’re also generally pretty good at raping aspiring actresses.
In fairness, many Hollywood actors and actresses are really good at being aware that is happening and yet keeping all their mouths sealed shut while the raping is happening, and for decades. And then pretend to be shocked once the shit comes out. Guess, that is called: Acting.
Pretending she didn’t know anything about it may be Oprah’s best acting outing in her career in the businesses.
All of them?
Only the ones that got into their hands.
It’s weird how the reverse is somehow ok now. Anne Boleyn played by a black woman why not? Historical accurac? What even is that?? .
It is different, if color of skin is a relevant part of the context of the story. Having John Brown played by a black man would be equally misleading.
For Anne Boleyn’s story on the other hand, racism did not play a part, because it wasn’t even invented yet.
…ok hol’ up.
racism did not play a part, because it wasn’t even invented yet.
Racism wasn’t invented before 1536, the year she got beheaded? The Portuguese had already transported the first slave ship to Brazil 10yr earlier, even if we pretend there was complete racial harmony before the transatlantic slave trade began, which is an absolutely insane thing to pretend, that still started before her death. Not to mention the fact that racism (and slavery no less) has been around since long before “transatlantic” was even a concept.
Slavery existed previously, and certainly xenophobia did. Those things are as old as time, nondoubt about it. But racism is something more specific: it’s an attempt to use pseudoscience to justify how you can simultaneously consider “all people are equal” (a core belief of the age of enlightenment) while also maintaining stark inequality and slavery (an economic reality of the time).
Because people aren’t depicting Jesus as a white Caucasian male?
If the skin colour isn’t relevant to the story, it doesn’t matter. If it is relevant, it does.
White people were never opressed and there is no danger of erasing white people and their achievements from history, so yes, the reverse is very ok.
As someone loves history, it’s not ok. Especially when the “white” people being erased aren’t even white. Cleopatra wasn’t white but she’s sure as hell wasn’t black. A lot of the characters being turned black are Greek, Latino, Irish, Italian, Arab, Asian. So is that ok? For a black actor to get the job of every other race? Why not a blank woman playing pancho villa? Maybe get idris alba to play the Dali lama.
See? That is your problem. You and I care about History. The people who are okay with erasing white people based it all on political ideology that is educated on extremely cherry picked and narrow history factoids and examples along with an unhealthy dose of presentism. Sticking with objectivity is not their goal. Most of them are not even aware they are doing that as they are just parroting ideas that others in their echo chambers tell them. I know a bunch of kids at my local Uni who say the same thing and they get it either from the same professors who push the same thing or social media. Primary Sourcing is not something they do as it would prove them wrong.
Erasing the culture is the goal, despite the fact that they blame others of doing what they themselves are doing as a distraction.
How many more comments until you start blabbering about “ThE gReAt RePLaCeMenT”?
Yes, there are too many Black actors in Hollywood movies. You can barely find any roles for white actors these days. I fondly recall roles where white actors could do their jobs, like Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany’s.
You are trying and failing to make up drama where there is none. So again, for you:
It’s not okay for a white person to play a black person from history.
It’s very ok for a POC to play a white person from history.
Deal with it 🤷🏻
White people were never opressed
You need to study history then. Even if you mean oppressed in the US your narrative is wrong:
https://academicworks.cuny.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1206&context=qc_pubs
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/104973239200200205
and so on…
Oh and they were opressed because they were white yes? Like black people were for their “”“race”“”?
They weren’t. You are being silly.
if you have read the articles and studies i posted you would know that, in case of italians, they weren’t considered “white”. But keep parroting your narrative if it makes you feel better about your double standards.
Blocked.
Lmao that was literally my point? But sure, be like that.
Halle Berry though… 🤔
Kevin Hart.
Martin Lawrence would rock it in “Big Tubman’s House”
I’m going to hell for this upvote.
Would have been a better role than catwoman
I’m a top exec for a very big movie company and I hear you on this. No more Julia Roberts. Got it. Roberts out, Catwoman in. …
Someone get me Michelle Pfeiffer on the phone. I have a great idea, Catwoman as Harry Tubmen.
That’s an Oscar winner, right there.
Tyler Perry?
Fun story - I went to a troubled teen facility, and we had “group.” There was no actual qualifications required for the people running “group.”
We watched Tyler Perry movies. (Also at one point Ip Man which is a goated film.) I learned the phrase “give head” or similar while watching How Did I Get Married. I was asked to think about the lessons that this movie could apply to my interpersonal relationships - I had never considered how the frequency of oral sex would decease after marriage.
