I find this “retribution” thing very quaint…
“Retribution” for being held to the same standards as the rest of us. “Retribution” for being punished for violating the rules we’re all under. “Retribution” for being called to account for acting like awful people.
There is nothing that has been done to them that does not stem from their own, poor behavior—a completely self-fixable concern.
It’s projection. They do witch hunts against others, so naturally they assume any investigation of them is a witch hunt.
Meanwhile the newspapers: “FACT CHECK: It is incorrect to associate project 2025 with the Trump campaign” 🙄
Besides fox News and the like, who said that?
Saving everyone a click
THE FACTS: Trump has said he doesn’t know about Project 2025, a controversial blueprint for another Republican presidential administration.
The plan was written up by many of his former aides and allies, but Trump has never said he’ll implement the roughly 900-page guide if he’s elected again. He has said it’s not related to his campaign.
That’s everything they said. Those are quite literally the facts which they can report on: what Trump says.
Sure, but doing a fact check at all is very strongly suggesting that the person making the claim is lying in a way that would be materially significant.
It just seems wrong to report that well technically, the candidate himself didn’t say those exact words (while ignoring that he communicates like a mafia don), and fit it in amongst other fact-checks where the candidate is literally libelling an entire community with things that are absolutely bare-faced lies with very very racist underpinnings?
You seem confused. Their reporting here was that trump claimed not to be associated with the document, but in reality is. Maybe you don’t like their wording?
Nope. Not what you’re saying it is. They call out its origin even.
The plan was written up by many of his former aides and allies,
They also briefly mention what he claims. That is in no way corroborating it. They are simply trying to avoid seeming biased. The other time “2025” appears in that page, it’s a quote from Harris about how dangerous it is.
This is normal and decent journalism.
Well that’s the article my boss used to “prove” to me that trump wasn’t associated with it. It’d be nice if honest reporting wasn’t immediately cast out as being leftist.
He read the sentence he wanted, essentially summarizing Trump’s claim, and ignored everything else. What is AP supposed to do about that kind of idiocy? You could do that with practically any source of information
facts have a left-leaning bias
Just about all of them, FFS.
What you all are really saying is that you want media to be more left leaning. The example people keep citing is AP, but they literally called out that he was associated with the creators of the document. Should they have used the word “lie”, well, yes I think so personally, but there is a danger in further appearing biased. I can settle for refuting his claim the way they did despite my preference. This is not some obvious right wing leaning like people ITT seem to think.
Those are some questionable sources.
The Associated Press:
A better start to that would be:
“Trump, a pathological liar, has said he doesn’t know about Project 2025”
Unless he was diagnosed as a pathological liar, they should not. Not that he isn’t, because he is, but as a news organization they should only provide the facts, quotes, and unbiased contextual information. That is what we should expect from the news. It should not be “left-leaning” or “right-leaning,” because they shouldn’t tell us what we should think about what they are reporting.
They should report that some of his former (and possibly current, if it’s accurate) aids and expected cabinet members wrote, participated, or supported Project 2025. They should report what Trump’s response was when asked about it, as well as including the factual context of how many people directly surrounding him that were openly involved (to give the lie to him “not knowing”).
We need news to stop giving opinion. Period. They should strive to be as unbiased as possible, including reporting on events based on newsworthy-ness, not trying to be “fair” to the candidates by reporting on both in an equally negative way regardless of the severity of their respective news (e.g. Obama’s tan suit vs. Trump’s children in cages.)
Then they don’t have to use the word “pathological”. If they aren’t reminding people that the fascist liar is a liar, then they are part of the problem.
I think “habitual liar” would be fair.
I would assume they’re also wary to give any opportunities to the serial libel/slander suit filer with a history of decrying “fake news”. Especially backed by the DOJ.
The election coverage I saw on AP this week confirms that they are compromised as well. They are dead to me.
This was likely true.
Trump didn’t need to know about it, and (since by all accounts, he’s functionally illiterate) he certainly never read it. Project 2025 is the brainchild of the same groups who chose Amy Coney Barrett and Brett Cavanaugh. Trump likely knew very little about them, too.
Trump was chosen because he’s easy to manipulate and is too incurious to care much about actual governance, so he won’t get in their way. All they need is for him to sign whatever they put in front of him between rounds of golf.
Trump likely didn’t know much about Project 2025 – but that absolutely did not mean it wasn’t the plan all along.
Yikes, they should show how its related to him.
They should also mention that most everything he says is a lie.
What am I missing here? Two sentences telling us his claims isn’t the complete failure of journalism y’all seem to be insinuating it is…
Those two sentences would be a lot less horrible if they weren’t prefaced with “THE FACTS:”.
It is a fact that Trump claimed not to know anything about it
Its more of selectively picking what he’s said, also not including the previous versions
“The Reagan administration implemented nearly half of the ideas included in the first edition by the end of his first year in office, while the Trump administration embraced nearly 64% of the 2016 edition’s policy solutions after one year,” the Heritage Foundation said in a press release announcing Project 2025.
Back when Project 2025 was just getting started, Trump spoke at the Heritage Foundation’s annual leadership conference on April 21, 2022, and appeared to refer to the project, saying, “This is a great group, and they’re going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do and what your movement will do when the American people give us a colossal mandate to save America. And that’s coming.”
But Trump has since pivoted sharply against the plan. “I know nothing about Project 2025,” Trump wrote on Truth Social on July 5. “I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they’re saying and some of the things they’re saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them.”
sause So only including the part where he distanced himself from it is very sketchy.
Our only hope is if Project 2025 ends up not being implemented in full because of its one fatal flaw: Donald Trump didn’t think of it first. He might ignore parts of it out of spite, just to make sure the Heritage Foundation understands that it is not President.
Yeah, I also suspect he may be dumb enough to do something like dissolve the IRS. Which would more or less destroy all forms of federal governmental power both soft and hard. Its something rhe sovcits have wanted for decades and I would not be surprised in the least if he got convinced by one.
No more IRS? Looks like I’m not going to allow any federal tax to be withheld from my paycheck.
Its actually a bit dumber than just that. The sovcits want the sheriff’s to collect taxes, im pretty sure my county sheriff would sooner kill themselves rather than even think about such a suicidal idea.
Trump is really bad at following through.
Other than the millions of deaths and the bad economy, which are weirdly short-term things, what did he actually accomplish first term aside from fucking up the judiciary? And even that was really more of a McConnel accomplishment from the Obama era.
Didn’t he implement something like 2/3rds of the Heritage Foundation’s policy proposals in his first term?
MAGAS are incapable of associating anything bad with their dear leader. Hold them accountable.
You can’t hold someone accountable if they don’t think they did anything wrong. They firmly believe they’re in the right, and will never believe Trump can or will do anything wrong. Anything bad that comes out of his administration, they’ll just say it was Biden’s fault. Kinda like how some Republicans supporters thought Obama was president during 9/11.
Right. The cons and the Republican Party are pathological liars. The “liberal media” would do well to remember that and be sure to point it out as often as possible instead of playing their bullshit bothsiderist game.
The problem is this leopard is going to eat all of our faces…
They won’t be able to implement half of it just due to the bureaucracy of the system fighting against any kind of big change. The part they do manage to ram through will be damaging enough, though.
Do you know what Project 2025 is? Part of the plan involves removing the bureaucracy and replacing them with Trump loyalists and sycophants
That’s if they replace them at all, as in many cases they will be eliminating regulatory agencies entirely.
I hope things like NPR can survive when their funds are finally cut entirely, as at this point the larger stations have enough donors to stay afloat. I hope.
Yes, I’m aware. Still doesn’t matter. They can start down that path, and then they’ll find out how hard it actually is to get the US government bureaucracy to change anything. Infighting among those “loyalists” will also bog it all down.
They’re being chosen for loyalty first, and competence a distant second. It’s not going to work.
You’re clearly not aware. The bureaucracy is being removed entirely. It won’t be there anymore to be an obstacle.
That’s fundamentally not how it works. The bureaucracy must exist to a certain extent. Running a country of 330M people and $25T GDP without it is ludicrous. People must exist in all that who can actually do the work and not just be yes men.
They’ll make a lot of press for the first year or so of firing people and trying to replace them. Some of those replacements will back out, and positions will go unfilled. Then the consequences of not having the old guard around will start to sink in, and the whole project will grind against itself.
To be clear, none of this is good. Those consequences won’t be confined to the people causing the problems. Not even close. But it will mitigate the damage from a full implementation of Project 2025.
The bureaucracy must exist to a certain extent.
I think you’re missing that the GOP has been in “burn it all down” mode for 16 years. They don’t want a functioning government, they think government gets in the way of a libertarian utopia (Vance’s own words).
No, I’m saying that very factor will kill the whole project. They don’t understand how any of it works, why it has to work the way it does (at least to some extent), and things will go wrong because of it. As those things pile up, it’s going to be increasingly clear that they are creating more problems than they’re solving, and they will have to spend increasingly amounts of time solving those problems rather than moving the project forward.
They don’t care if it creates problems because they’ll explain it away as short term, transition, private market will solve it because the private market solves everything, etc. That’s the point of “burn it all down”, they don’t care. Everything will go wrong in our eyes, but in their eyes it’s not wrong.
Tell me… how many of those bureaucrats are going to “slow things down” when they stop getting paid and their workplace is sold out from under them?
They can sue in court… and those lawsuits will be rejected.
They have control of all three branches of government. No checks. No balances.
All 3 branches, Trump will have all yes men in his administration, and this time he benefits from his 4 prior years of stacking the courts.
Not good enough. Even winding down an agency, like NOAA (fully planned as part of Project 2025), takes effort. These people don’t have any appreciation for how they’ll pull one thread and find it’s connected to a hundred other threads. Trump personally lacks the attention span to put any effort into it, and the people underneath him will jockey for position and work at cross purposes.
It’s not a lot of comfort right now, but fascism is self-defeating.
That’s the major saving grace of it.
Something like NOAA really requires a lot of experts to run, and get value from. If they replace it with loyalists, privatize it, or just stop funding it all together it’s entire benefit will end.
I can list a ton of impacts to NOAA benefits ending: National Weather Service likely gets privatized
- only premium users get the 24/7 continuous weather updates from NWR broadcasts (radio weather updates).
3.NWWS (basically used for severe weather monitoring) now has fees or is gone.
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EWIN means no more emergency weather coordination.
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Weather.gov is shut down or prioritized.
That means immediately we have disasters in all farming communities from lower crop yields. The tornado belt will get deadlier. You can just forget about living in Florida. It will be very expensive to fly because airlines no longer receive that data. More destructive forest fires. Incoming and outgoing sea shipping will become much more expensive and dangerous (more expensive imports, exports, seafood, off shore oil).
Not to mention space weather is in the realm of NOAA. Satellite and radio comms will be difficult to account for. Geomagnetic storms will cause infrastructure damage when operators of pipelines and power grids can’t prepare for the induced surges.
That’s just a tiny list. I like sort collectively acknowledge - Maga is a cult of Death. It doesnt matter who or why, they just want to cull the human population.
What’s sort of funny to me is the conspiracy about our leaders being lizard people makes more since if the Project 2025 people are actually aliens going about in a systemic way to remove us from the planet for themselves. A la “They Live” style.
It really is just a recipe to destroy all functioning systems. It doesnt make any sense unless you want to absolutely wreck a country.
Mr Musk fired 80% of the Twitter staff. Pretty sure there was no organized wind down, it’s just gone. That’s how he thinks it works.
Isn’t part of it about firing anyone that gets in their way? Schedule F provisions?
The people saying there are protections to prevent this don’t understand just how bad this is. They co trol everything. The United States just became a 1 party country because assholes stayed home to protest shit that is only going to get exponentially worse under trump. They forgot the lessons of his first term.
shit bouta be wild
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This is such an overreaction honestly and I think it’s just giving a false start to the alarmism about Project 2025 which is exactly what these dumb extremists want. Allow me to explain.
Matt Walsh actually said this as a joke. Bannon is probably only half joking. Both had the intention of making articles like this happen so that when the backlash reaches conservative ears they can swat it away and say hey, it’s an obvious joke. Because it was.
The point is the same as what they’ve done with other phrases. They’ll point out the unjustified alarmism and use it to take the power out of the Project 2025 criticism. This is the problem with sensationalist media, they’ll raise alarms about everything well before people should listen. Then people ignore them.
So, according to your logic, shut up and enjoy it ? If it is inevitable working against is bad ?
So our only choice is to accept it. That is your message ?
Not sure how you got that message at all. These aren’t powerful people. Bannon is washed up and Matt Walsh is just a commentator that says stupid things to annoy people constantly. They’re both mostly irrelevant and don’t deserve the alarm everyone here is sounding. It serves no purpose other than to drive hysteria for people already worried about the project, to anyone not yet worried they’re less likely to be worried and see you as unreasonable. So just ignore it.
“It’S jUsT a JoKe, BrO! TrUsT mE!”
I mean the trick worked, everyone is here panicking despite Walsh having no weight in these things and no insider information.
The statement was designed to scare you so he can make fun of you, that was about it and it worked perfectly.
If what you think is accurate, then I’ll take ridicule for overreacting if it means Trump’s actual administration thinks it’s too terrible to touch as a result.
If everyone says that PJ2025 or anything resembling it is so terrible it can only be considered a troll bogeyman and should never be implemented for real, I’d take that.
Truth is, they didn’t write up over 900 pages of this crap and produce a bunch of training videos just to ‘troll’. They meant it. Now if, hypothetically, they are no longer ‘in’ with Trump and their ambitions are scuttled and they are trying to make lemonade out of it by extracting liberal tears over nothing, then sure, let them have those liberal tears and laugh about it so long as that stays the hell out of reality. I sincerely hope you are right, but even then, keep up the awareness and ‘overreacting’ to keep it as an unacceptable joke instead of what it was meant to be.
The point of what I said isn’t that Project 2025 is actually a joke, it’s that Walsh is making a joke about it being officially implemented (which we have no actual confirmation of) so that he can show the left as irrational when they fall for the obvious bait to report on what he said.
Do they plan to implement a lot of the project? Probably. Is it serious and scary? Yes. But that’s exactly why he knew people would overreact and he could manipulate them. It’s a smart move by Walsh unfortunately because it just makes the left seem paranoid about the project when it is in fact a real danger.
