• PugJesus@lemmy.world
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    The after-action analysis that the world will be doing will suggest what proportion of the blame goes to whom, but make no mistake - this is nothing but a loss for everyone on the left. “Electoralism can’t fix our problems!” you cry. Ignoring electoral politics can sure as fuck make it worse.

    The deaths in Gaza and Ukraine which could have been avoidable if Trump hadn’t been returned to power? That blood is on the hands of those who wanted to keep ‘clean’.

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      That blood is on the hands of those who wanted to keep ‘clean’.

      You’re already doing it. You’re already instinctively blaming people in a moment when it’s impossible to know whether they would’ve made a difference.

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        Oh no, that they “wouldn’t have made a difference” doesn’t absolve them, no more than it absolves twats in deep red states for voting Trump, despite their vote “not making a difference” in whether their state went red.

        They have blood on their hands, regardless of whether they were the tipping point. Enjoy it.

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          We all have blood on our hands, we are all part of this machine against our own will. Moralism will get you nowhere

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        Millions of people didn’t vote across several swing states.

        It has been widely discussed that certain purity test failures by Harris kept voters home.

        Purity politics is not the only thing on the table, but it’s certainly one of them. It’s not all leftist’s fault. At all.

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          I heard it was mostly white suburban men who didn’t show up to vote. Not really a big leftist demographic.

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      The blood is on your hands and anyone who made excuses for the Democratic party instead of demands for an entire year. Make no mistake.

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        Cool, where did making ‘demands’ get you?

        Oh, it worsened the very genocide you thought you were going to help alleviate?

        Curious.

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          I’m not American. My family is at risk of being bombed by your country. The party you’ve avoided holding to account due to fear of a Trump victory is the one facilitating the bombing. It should have never gotten to this point but every time someone like you would say “but Trump is worse” to justify supporting the Democratic party NO MATTER WHAT it emboldened them to make the non-permissible permissible.

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            I’m not American. My family is at risk of being bombed by your country.

            I guess since neither candidate is going to stop the problem, it’s okay to make it as bad as possible. You know, to ‘punish’ the Democrats.

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              Go find your scapegoat and avoid self-reflection until next election cycle then.

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                It’s no question of scapegoats. There are a lot of factors, and many of them are likely more important than people playing purity politics. Yet people playing purity politics are very much one of the factors, and the fact that your only response to “We were dealing with limited choices with an electorate that cares very little about foreign affairs” is “I see you’re trying to avoid self-reflection” is very telling.

                until next election cycle then.

                What next election cycle?

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            Your risk is being bombed went up and you’re gloating. That’s precious.

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              Do you think I’m happy that Trump won or something? Good to see that the fake concern is gone now as Americans blame the very same people they are bombing for their own willingness to sacrifice them for the what they perceive to be the greater good.

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                Your campaign against Harris only helped Trump. I’m not sure what is hard to understand here. I hope you keep safe, but this is an outcome you literally fought for.

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                What fake concern? You are in increased danger now, and I voted to try to avoid it.

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        So you voted against the candidate that would help Palestine, and now you will blame everyone else for not convincing you otherwise?

        I hope you’re happy with the result. Palestine will completely cease to exist because of this, but at least you got to blame Dems for it.