Two months of courting Republicans did basically nothing for Harris’s polling. That they think Mike Pence or Liz Cheney are influential Republicans kind of makes their hypothesis that there are secret defectors that don’t get counted in polls extra suspect.
Yeah, it’s a terrible strategy for a number of reasons. The big one isn’t even that they can’t be courted - they CAN. It’s just that the thing that courts them isn’t “we can be really Republican, too!” - it’s actually progressive policy.
It turns out that being stridently pro-worker, pro-healthcare, pro-education, pro-small business, and pro-social safety are all incredibly popular stances with broad support. Time and time again, openly supporting these things draws Republican support. The noise that emerges online and in the outrage merchant pundit class is just that - noise, made up to try and steer the conversation.
Which is the big risk to doing any of this pro-worker stuff - it’s mostly about Fox News or the talk show host nutjobs branding it as evil and starting a propaganda war about it, and the rest of the media world just following along like insipid stenographers.
It’s a branding war, basically, the Overton window doesn’t need to shift further right at all.
There was a video by “More Perfect Union” where they went around a Trump rally asking what they wanted from a president. Surprisingly, they wanted more taxes for the rich and expanded worker’s rights.
So yeah, I bet that appealing to conservative talking points doesn’t work at all. No wonder that Tim Walz is pretty popular in his state on both sides, considering that he is pretty pro union and progressive.
Harris has lost 1.2% of the vote since Oct 1, so whatever she is doing isnt working.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/?ex_cid=abcpromo
Democrats keep fucking it all up. You don’t go after republicans. You go after your own god damn base for the first time in modern history. The left isn’t voting because nobody represents them.
Represent them, they’ll vote, and then you’ll win, because those are your people sitting elections out constantly.
It’s fun watching the people who screamed that they weren’t going to vote for any Dem scream louder when the Dems try to pick up votes from people who were going to vote for Trump.
They aren’t going to pick up any votes from people who were going to vote for Trump… If they didn’t get it by now, they aren’t magically going to get it this week… Meanwhile she’s alienating millions of young/progressive people who she could have gotten to vote for her by… (Checks notes) Not supporting genocide
“Unilaterally halt 70 years of treaties, force a foreign country to obey your will, seize unlawful control of our military, and do it all in a few weeks while campaigning, all as VP” is quite the tall order to all of anyone just in exchange for votes that, let’s be honest, you weren’t going to give anyway.
If you’re going to threaten to stand aside and allow someone way worse to take over, and those are your criteria, then this is just online noise you’re making and not genuine at all.
If you’re looking for something less, such as statements - she’s made them. They’re pretty clear about being about stopping the genocide. So even in that direction, if it isn’t enough, then again this is just online noise you’re making, and not genuine at all.
You just don’t care.
Haven’t heard her say anything about the genocide except “shut up about it, I’m talking”
“shut up about it, I’m talking”
Please cite or quote the outlet where this was recorded, I want to see proof that she said this, like literally.
If you cannot do this well then…you are a liar. Why you would do this I have no idea (but I can speculate and see red hats in my crystal ball).
Yeah I paraphrased, sorry… But I think I got the gist https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5127583/vice-president-harris-protesters-im-speaking
Edit: not sure why the link isn’t showing for me… Trying to move it, hopefully it’ll work
She’s repeatedly said that she wants a ceasefire, and even said she’s trying to help press for one right now. Literally one rally after the one you’re talking about she paused her talk during a protest and spoke about it to talk about driving for a ceasefire, before resuming the rally.
There’s only so much that is going to happen during a campaign. I understand a degree of general mistrust for politicians overall, but it’s honestly out of her hands unless she gets elected.
Meanwhile the other guy is definitely pro genocide. No room for doubt at all there.
If she wants a ceasefire she should probably cease shipping fire to the aggressors.
This is a junk comment. She’s the VP, so what you’re suggesting is that she just try and take control she doesn’t have right now. Either you’ve got no idea what you’re talking about or you’re just talking shit.
She could say that she’ll demand Israel stop the genocide on day 1, and immediately stop sending them the means to carry it out… I bet her polling numbers would jump significantly among young people… There’s plenty of other things she could also say she’ll come out the gates swinging for, like single payer healthcare, paying for all education and cancelling student debt, tax the shit out of the rich, etc and say the Dems will primary any Dem who doesn’t get on board ASAP
She’s been pushing for a ceasefire since way before Biden supported it. I think her first calls for it came soon after the conflict started.
Those millions of people didn’t vote in 2010 and let the GOP take the House. Those millions of people didn’t vote in 2016 and got us Trump. Those millions of people keep punching themselves in the face expecting the Right to get a nose bleed.
Man, they sound like a large and important voting bloc since their low turnout causes such critical losses. And then Democrats won in 2020 when their turnout was high. Seems like encouraging their turnout would be a good idea. Because surely a Serious Moderate like yourself would want to address reoccurring problems rather punch yourself in the face out of immature spite.
Bernie Sanders came out for Harris.
What else should they do?
And Liz Cheney and a bunch of other Republicans came out for Harris, but they’re still courting Never Trump votes and you don’t question that in the slightest. Endorsements don’t determine votes.
Those millions of people weren’t eligible to vote in 2010, a lot weren’t in 2016 too… The new generations are just coming into the height of their voting power, but instead of asking them what they want in their elected officials, the idiot libs keep asking the Republicans instead
So, your plan for the next generation is for them to sit on their hands and do nothing because reasons…
When in history has not doing anything and letting the right do whatever they wanted been the best plan?
You’re putting words in my mouth… They are doing plenty of things. Young people are just idealistic, and see themselves as having plenty of time to correct mistakes
Or they’re waiting for the old people to die first before attempting so it’s easier to make sweeping changes.
I hope they start making moves soon… Younger generation voters are the majority now… No need to wait until every last boomer dies
Arnold just endorsed her FFS. Just give it up, you were wrong. Trump’s a con man and a loser. Don’t be a loser.
NBC News - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report)
Information for NBC News:
Wiki: reliable - There is consensus that NBC News is generally reliable for news. See also: MSNBC
MBFC: Left-Center - Credibility: High - Factual Reporting: High - United States of America
Search topics on Ground.News
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/harris-disaffected-republicans-election-rcna175679
