Brazilian president makes comments after supreme court votes to uphold X ban over refusal to obey court orders

The Brazilian president, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, has said he hopes the crisis surrounding the social network X in Brazil might teach the world that “it isn’t obliged to put up with [Elon] Musk’s far-right free-for-all just because he is rich”.

Lula’s comments to the network CNN Brasil came after the supreme court voted unanimously on Monday to uphold the ban on X, which is now largely inaccessible in one of its biggest global markets.

The suspension was first ordered on Friday as a result of the company’s refusal to obey court orders requiring the removal of profiles accused of spreading disinformation and for the social network to name a local legal representative.

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  • Eezyville@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    37·
    4 months ago

    That’s a bad comparison. Yelling “fire” in a crowd to induce a panic is illegal and can lead to arrest. But that happens after you actually yell “fire” not before you might yell “fire”. In your example you say ban yelling “fire” when inducing a panic is already banned. Do you want people banned because of pre-crime?

    • fartemoji@lemmy.worldEnglish
      91·
      4 months ago

      So I agree with you about the whole “arresting people after they yell fire and not before” thing, but we’re talking about people who attempted a coup here, these aren’t hypothetical pre-crimes.

      To your earlier point about going after the people who actually did the coup:

      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-64299892

      According to this BBC article, 39 people were indicted within about a week of the attack

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Brazilian_Congress_attack

      According to Wikipedia, 86 people have been convicted and sentenced to jail time.

      I’m sure there are better numbers but I don’t speak Portuguese so I’m not going to find them.

      Also, while this conflict did begin with Brazil wanting them to ban accounts who helped organize the coup attempt, x was banned because they refuse to appoint a Brazilian legal representative.

      https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crkmpe53l6jo

      • intensely_human@lemm.eeEnglish
        28·
        4 months ago

        but we’re talking about people who attempted a coup here, these aren’t hypothetical pre-crimes

        We’re talking about the entire country of Brazil — 200 million people — being cut off from using X.

        • CileTheSane@lemmy.caEnglish
          5·
          4 months ago

          We’re talking about the entire country of Brazil — 200 million people — being cut off from using X.

          Companies that don’t follow the laws of a country don’t get to operate in that country. The entire country of the United States - 300 million people - are cut off from enjoying Kinder Surprise. Are you equally outraged about that?

          When a company says “Lol, we’re not going to have a way for you to hold us accountable” then a country is obviously going to shut them down. They’re not going to let a company ignore their sovereignty like that.

          • tektite@slrpnk.netEnglish
            2·
            4 months ago

            The entire country of the United States - 300 million people - are cut off from enjoying Kinder Surprise. Are you equally outraged about that?

            I’m not the person you’re responding to and I don’t care about twitter but

            YES! If I want to choke on a toy hidden inside a chocolate egg then THAT SHOULD BE MY RIGHT!!!

        • ochi_chernye@startrek.websiteEnglish
          3·
          4 months ago

          Yeah, it’s too bad it’s only 200 million, and only “X”. All the billionaire-controlled, black-box content algorithm social media sites are a cancer on humanity. Nobody’s freedom is being impinged upon by banning them; they’re the private fiefdoms of oligarchs, who blatantly wield them in service of their own agendas. Banning them is the sensible thing to do, and I can only hope that other governments follow suit.

          • intensely_human@lemm.eeEnglish
            11·
            4 months ago

            Nobody’s freedom is being impinged upon by banning them

            Actually yes, the freedom to use those applications is infringed by banning them

        • P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.brEnglish
          2·
          4 months ago

          Like if exactly 200 million people could afford eletronics (saying from experience) or caring about Twitter at all.

    • funkless_eck@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      12·
      4 months ago

      people are banned from doing things because they did things. e.g. if you DUI you get banned from future driving not just punished for the past. Hackers get banned from the internet etc