I don’t know about you all, but I’m beyond tired of being carpet bombed with these so-called articles repeating over and over again that (someone) thinks Biden should withdraw. They’re not only deafeningly repetitive without offering any valuable information, but often come from questionable sources that we’ve never heard of before. One of yesterday’s examples (now removed) was a tabloid stating an outright lie in the headline.
It’s annoying and useless at best, with the common theme of appealing to mob mentality to shape public opinion. It feels exactly like a propaganda campaign aimed at controlling political discourse on social media.
Yep. I’ve not seen one that mentions the fact the largest advantage possible going onto races historically has been incumbency. Not one.
As we are all seeing, propaganda campaigns being run by Russians, bot orgs run by god-knows-who all over being outed; whether it’s them or anyone else looking to disturb democrat chances by sewing discord, there should be a lot more stick poking at sources, posters, etc. on Lemmy.
If you are tired of hearing about any specific topic, I heard that you can blacklist words, so posts with this words does not show in your feed.
All my posts are from very reliable sources.
I don’t care about influencing people beliefs, in fact I turned off showing upvotes and downvotes in my client(Jerboa for Android). If you are bothered with people seeing this type of posts, you can share any news article you want as long as the source is reliable.
This person isn’t accusing you of the right thing.
What people are irritated with is when one user focuses really heavily on anti-Biden content as everyone else is far more worried about what a Trump presidency is going to do to this country.
Fascism looms on the horizon, and people are paying close attention to who is for or against it. They’re seeing you post repeatedly against the guy running against the fascist. They’re making a prescient conclusion.
I can see that concern but a couple things I think are worth highlighting (and for starters I’m not the submitter).
I and everyone else who’s calling for Biden to step down are equally concerned for a Trump presidency.
We simply believe all the data points to an inevitable Biden loss, in addition to down-ballot races. Clearly Democratic representatives running tough races agree.
We can’t put the cart before the horse and deal with Trump until we actually have a viable candidate first. I and many like Biden and his administration but know he cannot run a successful campaign, and again, data shows it.
Once this is settled, normal scheduled programming will resume and all focus will be on how bad Trump and the GOP is.
You’re welcome to post whatever you’d like on here. But if you go to any given news outlet, half the front page stories right now are about the RNC and dems calling on Biden to resign. The fact that our posts reflect that right now doesn’t feel like a huge issue
The #1 upvoted comment in this thread is one of your users saying they’re tired of being carpet-bombed with these articles. Saying “Please stop.” I feel pretty much the exact same way. Isn’t that relevant? The existence of the articles on this newsworthy topic isn’t the issue, of course, just their incredible volume and frequency and the laziness of the “new” features of the situation that are then graced with a whole new cycle of stories.
I looked over the articles in !news@lemmy.world specifically, and it actually doesn’t look like there’s any particular excessive coverage of it here – so maybe criticizing moderation in this sub specifically because of it is unfair, yeah. I think it’s more a statement about the flood of various article restating the exact same thing with some minor reframing, in Lemmy as a whole. And yes, I feel exactly the same way about the ridiculously front-and-center coverage it’s been getting in a lot of mainstream media outlets, frequently framed in ways that are explicitly opposed to the factual reality (he’s dropping in the polls!) and almost always framed towards one particular conclusion.
There are two issues that make me offended to see this stuff in such a volume:
It’s dishonest. It consistently constructs, out of individual data points that are accurate, an overall reality that doesn’t exist. It went seamlessly from “Biden’s support TANKS after the debate”, then when polls showed him dropping 2-3 percentage points and most and sometimes not by that much, to simply claiming his polls were tanking when they weren’t, to then suddenly pivoting to claiming that something else was the issue when he pulled back to where he had been or ahead of it. Now it’s reporting an avalanching drumbeat of increasing numbers of people calling for him to drop out, always with headlines that create the perception that it’s a growing inevitable crowd and that him dropping out is already a given, and he’s just holding out before he will inevitably crumble.
Read the headlines. They are constructing through artful phrasing a consistent picture of a snowballing lack of support for Biden, with the facts to underlie it purely invented, by subtle dodges like asking Democrats and Republicans alike whether he should drop out and then reporting the (fairly high) resulting number, instead of just reporting the delta in his support numbers. Or, by taking one local chapter of a national union who wants him to drop out as a “major union” that wants him to drop out, not mentioning that the vast majority of unions want him to stay in.
Here’s a selection of headlines from !politics@lemmy.world, one contiguous chunk I grabbed to illustrate the problem:
Majority of Democrats think Kamala Harris would make a good president, AP-NORC poll shows (asking a misleading question so you can report the answer you want to highlight in the headline)
Joe Biden faces increasing pressure to quit the race, but has spent a lifetime overcoming the odds (fact-free editorial amplifying the framing)
Biden feels angry and betrayed by top Dems as family discusses ‘possible’ plan to drop out (I skimmed the sources and couldn’t find any particular backing for the statement that he feels angry or betrayed, although for all I know he may well do)
Larry Hogan blasts Project 2025 as a ‘dangerous path’ for GOP (news)
Biden’s family starts discussing his possible exit plan from the 2024 race (story seems perfectly reasonable but being framed to create the perception that his resolve is buckling and he may exit soon, it’s a done deal – I see no backing at all for the idea that these conversations “started” recently. I have to assume he’s talked about backing out of the race before, and they’re just purely inventing the idea that the conversations “started” recently just to create the framing).
Like I say, that’s not necessarily this sub or your problem. And maybe it all sounds thin skinned on my part. But also, I can’t see how you can’t see that as a problem, if your sub meant to inform people about what’s going on is being subjected to propaganda on a big scale.
Which brings us to:
It never stops. It’s seeking to overwhelm any alternate narrative by sheer volume of repetition. It would be absurd for me to counter each and every “here’s a new person who wants Biden to drop out!” story by finding a “here’s the 99% of unions that don’t want him to drop out!” story to counterbalance it.
It is, to me, engineering a certain public perception, not reporting on the world as it exists. There’s a perfectly legitimate conversation to be had about what the Democrats should do and whether Biden should stay in. But phrasing the conversation with one side of it amplified by constant repetition in every single forum, with the facts twisted up pretty much as far as they can go to support that conclusion, seems dishonest. No?
How that impacts moderation, or what rule might make it difficult to do, I have no idea. I’m just reporting what I see in terms of the result and how it’s harming people’s ability to understand the world when they read the news they find on Lemmy.
I don’t understand how it’s dishonest. Polling has shown that a majority of Americans, including a majority of democrats, think Biden should step aside. To say his support “tanked” after the debate would be dishonest. To say he’s facing unprecedented and constantly growing pressure is legit though. Every single day, a record number of people call on him to drop out. Okay, maybe it’s 2 federally elected officials in a day. That’s still more than have ever called on a POTUS to drop out of a reelection campaign publicly.
How about you just down-vote and let the algorithm do its thing? This submission is upvoted more than its down-voted. Period. Complaining aside, end of story.
I just find it strange to complain about the very system this site utilizes to aggregate content doing its thing. Op broke no rules and the content is more popular than it is unpopular by the community. I really don’t see what the problem is. I can just as easily claim you’re trying to stifle content the majority of users evidently like here for some possibly ulterior motive. I can just as easily say you’re trying to make OP stfu.
I don’t know about you all, but I’m beyond tired of being carpet bombed with these so-called articles repeating over and over again that (someone) thinks Biden should withdraw. They’re not only deafeningly repetitive without offering any valuable information, but often come from questionable sources that we’ve never heard of before. One of yesterday’s examples (now removed) was a tabloid stating an outright lie in the headline.
It’s annoying and useless at best, with the common theme of appealing to mob mentality to shape public opinion. It feels exactly like a propaganda campaign aimed at controlling political discourse on social media.
Please stop.
Yep. I’ve not seen one that mentions the fact the largest advantage possible going onto races historically has been incumbency. Not one.
As we are all seeing, propaganda campaigns being run by Russians, bot orgs run by god-knows-who all over being outed; whether it’s them or anyone else looking to disturb democrat chances by sewing discord, there should be a lot more stick poking at sources, posters, etc. on Lemmy.
If you are talking about the reliability of common dreams, they are very reliable.
If you are tired of hearing about any specific topic, I heard that you can blacklist words, so posts with this words does not show in your feed.
All my posts are from very reliable sources.
I don’t care about influencing people beliefs, in fact I turned off showing upvotes and downvotes in my client(Jerboa for Android). If you are bothered with people seeing this type of posts, you can share any news article you want as long as the source is reliable.
Sigh…
No single drop believes it is responsible for the flood.
And yet — this submission is upvoted more than it is downvoted…
Regardless of what your motives might be, you are contributing to the problem.
And now that I look at your post history, I see you’re doing it multiple times per day.
Kindly knock it off.
What are you talking about? What problem is he contributing to?
The disinformation problem
Specifically which disinformation? This all seems factual.
To some, inconvenient truths and disinformation are synonyms.
This person isn’t accusing you of the right thing.
What people are irritated with is when one user focuses really heavily on anti-Biden content as everyone else is far more worried about what a Trump presidency is going to do to this country.
Fascism looms on the horizon, and people are paying close attention to who is for or against it. They’re seeing you post repeatedly against the guy running against the fascist. They’re making a prescient conclusion.
I can see that concern but a couple things I think are worth highlighting (and for starters I’m not the submitter).
I and everyone else who’s calling for Biden to step down are equally concerned for a Trump presidency.
We simply believe all the data points to an inevitable Biden loss, in addition to down-ballot races. Clearly Democratic representatives running tough races agree.
We can’t put the cart before the horse and deal with Trump until we actually have a viable candidate first. I and many like Biden and his administration but know he cannot run a successful campaign, and again, data shows it.
Once this is settled, normal scheduled programming will resume and all focus will be on how bad Trump and the GOP is.
I made a reply here.
If it’s too hot for you, get out of the fucking kitchen.
How about instead of that, we let you know every single time that it’s fucking tiresome and please give it a rest
Or would that mean you would be hearing that statement oppressively many times?
The moderation of this community has entirely lost the plot
Same article 10 times a day and a literally limitless stream of the same 5-6 bad faith arguments in the comments to back it up? Sure sounds good
Blog post? GET IT THE FUCK OUT OF HERE
We need room for more stories about the Ithaca dogcatcher who is now saying that Biden should step down
You’re welcome to post whatever you’d like on here. But if you go to any given news outlet, half the front page stories right now are about the RNC and dems calling on Biden to resign. The fact that our posts reflect that right now doesn’t feel like a huge issue
The #1 upvoted comment in this thread is one of your users saying they’re tired of being carpet-bombed with these articles. Saying “Please stop.” I feel pretty much the exact same way. Isn’t that relevant? The existence of the articles on this newsworthy topic isn’t the issue, of course, just their incredible volume and frequency and the laziness of the “new” features of the situation that are then graced with a whole new cycle of stories.
I looked over the articles in !news@lemmy.world specifically, and it actually doesn’t look like there’s any particular excessive coverage of it here – so maybe criticizing moderation in this sub specifically because of it is unfair, yeah. I think it’s more a statement about the flood of various article restating the exact same thing with some minor reframing, in Lemmy as a whole. And yes, I feel exactly the same way about the ridiculously front-and-center coverage it’s been getting in a lot of mainstream media outlets, frequently framed in ways that are explicitly opposed to the factual reality (he’s dropping in the polls!) and almost always framed towards one particular conclusion.
Idk if it’s really that ridiculous. There have never been so many incumbents calling on a president to drop out before. It’s pretty crazy.
There are two issues that make me offended to see this stuff in such a volume:
Read the headlines. They are constructing through artful phrasing a consistent picture of a snowballing lack of support for Biden, with the facts to underlie it purely invented, by subtle dodges like asking Democrats and Republicans alike whether he should drop out and then reporting the (fairly high) resulting number, instead of just reporting the delta in his support numbers. Or, by taking one local chapter of a national union who wants him to drop out as a “major union” that wants him to drop out, not mentioning that the vast majority of unions want him to stay in.
Here’s a selection of headlines from !politics@lemmy.world, one contiguous chunk I grabbed to illustrate the problem:
Like I say, that’s not necessarily this sub or your problem. And maybe it all sounds thin skinned on my part. But also, I can’t see how you can’t see that as a problem, if your sub meant to inform people about what’s going on is being subjected to propaganda on a big scale.
Which brings us to:
It is, to me, engineering a certain public perception, not reporting on the world as it exists. There’s a perfectly legitimate conversation to be had about what the Democrats should do and whether Biden should stay in. But phrasing the conversation with one side of it amplified by constant repetition in every single forum, with the facts twisted up pretty much as far as they can go to support that conclusion, seems dishonest. No?
How that impacts moderation, or what rule might make it difficult to do, I have no idea. I’m just reporting what I see in terms of the result and how it’s harming people’s ability to understand the world when they read the news they find on Lemmy.
I don’t understand how it’s dishonest. Polling has shown that a majority of Americans, including a majority of democrats, think Biden should step aside. To say his support “tanked” after the debate would be dishonest. To say he’s facing unprecedented and constantly growing pressure is legit though. Every single day, a record number of people call on him to drop out. Okay, maybe it’s 2 federally elected officials in a day. That’s still more than have ever called on a POTUS to drop out of a reelection campaign publicly.
How about you just down-vote and let the algorithm do its thing? This submission is upvoted more than its down-voted. Period. Complaining aside, end of story.
That’s a pretty indirect way of saying that you want me to shut up and not speak. I plan to continue tho
I just find it strange to complain about the very system this site utilizes to aggregate content doing its thing. Op broke no rules and the content is more popular than it is unpopular by the community. I really don’t see what the problem is. I can just as easily claim you’re trying to stifle content the majority of users evidently like here for some possibly ulterior motive. I can just as easily say you’re trying to make OP stfu.