At this point media illiteracy is a requirement to be a Republican.
There is a weird right-wing contingent of Trekkies who think it’s all about pew pew fights with the Borg and they confuse the rest of us who love the idea of a socialist utopia where indigenous cultures are respected and people try to talk things out before shooting in hostile situations.
Trek has no money in the Federation; no barter. Nobody who’s watched a season of any Trek show can avoid noticing that. It might be a bit murky with characters like Harry Mudd, or the Ferengi, but those operate outside the Federation; you’d have to be daft to miss that. TNG was more careful with their “capitalist” characters like Kivas Fajo, who was clearly a collector and trader rather than a travelling salesman.
Right-wing free-market Trekkies are self-deluding.
It’s a special case of the more general rule: right-wing free-market anyone is self-deluding.
That’s why I prefer Picard over the others. He represented the best of those ideals while respecting the history that led humanity to the Federation. They even took the time to reveal his humility when he went too far, by his choice or no.
“ Star Wars is bad now”
I mean yah, the vertical integration, means tested everything, nostalgia bating and assembly line techniques that Disney does sure do ruin otherwise fine properties.
“No, I don’t mind that, that’s just good business. I just hate the gay people who kissed in the background”
Oh, OH ok, you’re just an idiot…
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Disney bad. Star Wars is Disney. Star Wars woke. Star Trek not Disney. Star Trek not woke. Star Trek good.
Star Trek not woke.
Star Trek first interacial kiss on screen. Star Trek early with minorities in major roles without calling attention to it.
first interacial kiss
First black/white kiss. There was an earlier white/Asian kiss.
Asians aren’t people! /S
Although, tbf in the US, because of slavery(then segregation). Black/White race relations trends to overshadow everything else.
Interestingly, the first interracial kiss also featured William Shatner, when he kissed France Nuyen on the Ed Sullivan Show.
Doesn’t count because Asians are “good” minorities. /s
George Takei might not agree since he was kept in a camp as a child.
I’m not trying to undermine the idea that Star Trek was progressive for its time, far from it, but since no one else has pointed this out, I thought I’d say it. Star Trek was NOT the first interracial kiss on television. In fact, the actors’ lips never touched in the shot.
Well, sort of. I’ve been reading William Shatner’s autobiography, and they had to fight really hard to include an interracial kiss. The network was going to forbid it, telling Rodenberry that televisions across the South would rather black out their televisions for an hour than allow something so highly offensive. When he insisted upon it, they kept making concessions Rodenberry wouldn’t agree to, like instead having Uhura kiss Spock, since it there would be a little more disconnect between reality. Eventually, Rodenberry offered to film the kiss both ways—one way with their lips actually touching, the other with Uhura’s back to the camera as they embraced, giving the illusion that they kissed without their lips ever touching. The actors were really upset about it, because It was originally going to be a passionate kiss, but the only way they allowed it to be filmed on television was if the actors displayed clear discomfort—which could be used to reinforce the idea that interracial relationships were bad.
Soo…yeah! That’s your Star Trek history lesson for the day! (I’ve never watched the original episode, I’ve only watched TNG and Discovery for myself, so this is all secondary info, but if you watch the episode, you can see for yourself.)
I think with Disney and a lot of companies now it’s more obvious that they are consciously trying to “look good” vs Star Trek was a lot more genuine and authentic with it’s intention to include these things, and it was challenging status quo back then whereas today it’s very mainstream (which is a good thing). This is also what I think is (sometimes intentionally) misinterpreted with the “woke” concerns from the right, cause criticizing the company for morally branding themselves can be legit, but only if the actual idea of including and respecting people isn’t lumped in with it. A legit issue with these huge companies that exploit workers is how they commodify their visibly “diverse” employees and claim the virtue for themselves rather than all the effort it took from workers to actually be treated with dignity. Amazon may very well be welcoming and inclusive but they’re gonna fight their diverse employees when they want better conditions and pay. DEI doesn’t erase the inherent conflict between employers and employees.
She’s so much of a Trekkie she did the LL&P sign backwards
WESSSST SIIIIIIDE
(Of the beta quadrant)
Live long and peace out, bitches.
I was gonna say, “what kind of fucked up Shekhinah is that???” That hands gesture symbolizes the Hebrew letter “shin,” which is the first letter of the feminine name of God in Judaism. The female form of God is believed by Orthodox Jews to be so powerful that seeing her can blind a human, therefore they cover their eyes when the rabbi does this symbol while they invoke the dwelling of God, or something like that. I’m quite fuzzy on this part.
So, this moron is calling Star Wars, the bra strangulation movie, too woke and is trying to troll Star Wars fans with a Star Trek symbol that she got wrong? The incredible irony of her being a bigot unfit for Leonard Nimoy’s Shekhina project while she’s blasting her own face with some Jewish mysticism girl power is beyond hilarious.
the concept of science fiction is way to librul, since it suggests that science is real
But it says right in the name science fiction!
update even got dragged by george takei
Star Wars is literally space conservatives rebelling against the galactic communist (1970s US propagandized version of invented communism-fascist aesthetic*) empire…
Firefly is to an even greater degree, like libertarian Browncoats rebelling. I love the fan fic take that the Alliance were the “good guys.”
ok but the empire were literally fascists trying to rule the imperial senate with absolute authority…
Yeah it’s not actual communism but more like a reflection of the fears of communism in pop culture from the time when it was written in the late 70s. Comment was a bit inprecise but amended.
Even the empire’s uniforms were pretty obviously based on nazi uniforms, what makes you think the empire is supposed to represent communism?
is it a coincidence that vader is derived from the german word for father?
Is that the case? It’s both written and pronounced differently
well i did say “derived from” and not “the exact same word” but as it turns out the connection to vater was a rumor george lucas himself started, likely to make originating vision for the series appear stronger and more planned. there is evidence that the name existed in the scripts before he was changed to be lukes father, so that does contradict the later assertion.
I’m not sure about Vader being more than a coincidence, but the roots of the word for “father” goes a lot further back than German. Linguists have traced it back through many cultures into prehistory. It’s probably more ancient than we can ever discover. This blew my mind the other day.
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George Lucas said Vietnam inspired the writing, and communism in American pop culture was synonymous with basically every “bad” thing.
He said the Ewoks were inspired by the Viet Cong. Were the guerilla fighters fighting against the guerilla Empire?
The empire was the US
Why are you spreading this around like it’s true? Also, this is you:
Very interesting! I knew the Vietnam thing but I’m not into Star Wars.
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George Lucas mentions Vietnam as an influence
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Fascism is clearly represented as well
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Star Wars is not a politically consistent universe or critique
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It’s a typical story arc where the antagonist is an amalgamation of things that were considered bad at the time
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It’s Star Wars so I ultimately don’t care that much
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that makes sense! fair point!
It’s just based on what other’s have said about the Vietnam allegory but it’s also whatever, I’m sure Lucas’ wasn’t thinking of it as a primarily political mission to produce Star Wars, since it’s very much a standard plot with your usual archetype characters and roles.
There’s a similar fan take on Lord of the Rings too which is interesting.
George Lucas has said that it was the Vietnam War that inspired the conflict in Star Wars, with the Empire representing the US, but also the rebels could represent the US against the British Empire from the Revolutionary War.
I don’t recall reading that anywhere. I do remember seeing WW2 referenced, especially with respect to the dogfights.
Very interesting! I knew the Vietnam thing but I’m not into Star Wars.
The Empire was in no way representative of Communism, it’s a fascist Empire with literal “Stormtroopers.” Lucas has shown more antifascist sentiment, and no anti-socialist sentiment. Lucas said the Empire represents the US, and the rebels the Viet Cong, in inspiration.
One time, he even said despite the censorship in the USSR, he felt that move directors and writers were more free to make what they wanted without the profit motive getting in the way, specifically citing artistic freedom being higher (in his words).
Attempts and fails at Vulcan greeting.
Two in the pinkie, two in the stinky…
The Klingon way!
It does take a bit of practice let not gatekeep here /s
I know she’s smarter, better, and stronger than I and would find a way to help explain and educate this woman on how she’s pissing into the wind wrong…
But I can’t help but imagine Janeway just kicking the shit out of that foxbot on principle and for the security of the federations reputation.
Janeway would straight up murder them. She’s done worse for less reason.
Everyone thinks she killed Tuvix to save her ship or crew or some utilitarian bullshit, but the reality?
She knew. She knew this was her chance to kill a man and call it duty.
Nah, it was pragmatic. She was losing crew that couldn’t really be replaced. And she was on the verge of losing a very important crew member, Tuvok.
She wasn’t about to let that happen.
If Tuvix retained Tuvoks skills, keeping Tuvix would mean not having to deal with Neelix, however. Im sure she considered that as a reason to keep Tuvix, before her bloodlust won out.
Nah, there was the clear risk that Tuvix exhibited the worst traits of Tuvok and Neelix. That would be a total nightmare. Restoring the original was the proper choice. At some point an opportunity to get rid of Neelix could appear, and you could retain the original Tuvok without loss.
I don’t know, man. She killed Tuvix. I could see her kicking the shit out of this lady.
I would have thought they’d be more of a Starship Troopers fan, since the satire would fly over the fash’s head.
Nice one! I’m ultra-progressive but love that movie.
I mean, so long as you see the satire of the film, that’s not incompatible.
TBF Heinlein didn’t mean for it to be a satire, Verhoeven just turned it into one.
Post scarcity societies can’t be approached in any meaningful way with modern economic theories.
Star Trek is neither socialist nor capitalist, as both are systems designed to manage and portion out scarcity, and are based on economic theories that lack any predictive abilities in systems that don’t work in a context of scarce resources that need administration.
Neither the labour theory of value nor marginal utility theory make any sense when all resources are trivial to obtain for individuals and whatever resources your community uses can be reused virtually endlessly within the limits of entropy.
Are we really dealing with “scarcity” at this point?
Supermarkets throw away literal millions of tonnes of food annually. “Reduce, reuse, recycle” has become a hollow mantra that cannot be truly adopted by the profit driven design philosophies of consumer products. Sustainability is being treated like some chic perk rather than a critical topic that must be taken seriously if we want any hope for our futures.
All these things are profoundly capitalist problems. Of course, it’s not like marxist-leninist ‘experiments’ fared any better, devolving into their own variants of capitalism, but there are many other socialist ideologies to consider (such as anarchism…)
We are, because people want luxury goods too. Post-scarcity is about being able to produce most goods with barely any human labor (would absolutely be true for food if every person on earth only worked in food production or to produce machinery needed for it), which we aren’t even close to. AI and automation might get us there (though it’s questionable when the cycle of just investing the newfound labor capacity into more luxuries will stop, if ever), but people are actively resisting that (reasonably so) because the current economic system basically everywhere is horribly rigged towards funnelling the excess wealth to rich individuals rather than improving the living standards of society as a whole.
Idk, I’d say we want quality goods, and are lead to believe that these desires can be fulfilled by the lofty luxury goods market which is founded more on artificial scarcity than material scarcity. Even when rare materials and expensive labour are involved the fact that this simply makes them “more valuable” seems more important than any actual need, or lack of alternatives. Meanwhile, affordable products get enshittified, shorter lifespans, etc.
though it’s questionable when the cycle of just investing the newfound labor capacity into more luxuries will stop, if ever
Which is precisely why “post-scarcity” can only be reached with actual societal change, not just technological advancement.
While that may be true about Star Trek after the fact, the truth is that in order to get the federation off the ground, and the world economy in line to create the first Enterprise and crew and all the scientific advancements they made, required the entire world moving to a purely socialistic platform/agenda to achieve.
I don’t think you can discount first contact’s affect on that shift. Finding out you’re not alone in the universe would surely have a massive societal impact.
The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one
StAr tReK is TOO DIVERSE, tHatS wHy I lIkE Babylon 5!
[insert heavy breathing and unchecked drooling]
she probably cheered for the bajor occupation or the government during the bell riots
Babylon 5 is too liberal, that’s why I like Farscape
Farscape isn’t horny enough. That’s why I like LEXX
Farscape is cool. Star Trek is cool. Star Wars is okay too I guess; not hating, I just don’t like them as much as the rest of the world seems to.
Obviously. Because Firefly is the superior show, right?
Disney did accidentally turn the two part story arc of space liberals restoring the status quo after it fell to space fascism into a three part warning that liberalism will always fall to fascism by allowing it to thrive in the first place by refusing to address wealth inequality and outright complacency in spite of all the warnings in the galaxy so that’s fun.
Farscape is too queer, that’s why i like Lexx
