• PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    So your objection is that they call a mass shooting a mass shooting? What magic number would you like them to use?

    • jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
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      1 year ago

      No, my objection is they call normal shootings mass shootings with the agenda of making and keeping people scared.

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        1 year ago

        You don’t think the nra telling people to be scared and that they need a gun to feel safe is more of the issue?

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          1 year ago

          Not really, because the vast, vast, number of gun owners don’t use them.

          Let me give you some perspective…

          We don’t REALLY know, but the best estimate is there are around 474 MILLION guns in the United States.

          https://www.thetrace.org/2023/03/guns-america-data-atf-total/

          In 2021, 48,830 people died from gun injuries.

          https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

          54% of those were suicides. So 22,462 murders or accidents.

          Gun laws are never going to prevent suicides, only national mental health care can do that. So looking at the murders and accidents:

          22,462 / 474,000,000? 0.0000473878

          That’s not a crisis, it’s a rounding error. And, yes, each one of those 22,000 deaths individually is a tragedy, but that also means 473,978,000 guns sat around collecting dust.

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            1 year ago

            In 2021, 48,830 people died from gun injuries.

            Jesus christ… Let’s compare to other developed nations, wanna do per capita or total?

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                  1 year ago

                  Oh, I absolutely get it, what folks outside the US don’t get is the 2nd amendment isn’t going anywhere.

                  To repeal it, you first have to get 290 votes in the House, which is largely insurmountable. It took George Santos to get that many Congressmen to agree on something.

                  Then you need 67 votes in the Senate, the body that can’t get past 60 to disable a filibuster.

                  Assuming, miracle of miracles, that happens, then you need ratification by 38 states.

                  Biden only won 25, and of those only 19 have Democratic statehouses. You’d need 19 red states to be on board with giving up guns, assuming you didn’t lose any blue states.

                  So, yeah, Good Luck!

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                    1 year ago

                    So, yeah, Good Luck!

                    My advice to the kids in tomorrow’s mass shooting I guess 🤷

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                1 year ago

                You’re right, you guys have the right to shoot yourselves and each other. Carry on.