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    7 months ago

    and how the DNC is everyone’s real problem

    I didn’t say that either. I’ve simply said that if Biden loses, it’s not the fault of the voters, but it’s the fault of the party and the candidate for not earning enough voters to win.

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      It’s a self fulfilling prophecy and you’re certainly doing your part. Cause the voters can’t be blamed for thinking the very things this thread repeats over and over.

      It’s up to [DNC] to field a candidate that people want to vote for

      EXCEPT THEY DID AND HE ALREADY BEAT TRUMP ONCE. People do want to vote for Biden but here you are painting the whole party as bad because of polls that have been off for years.

      All based on polling that also said we’d have a red wave in 2020… So while Biden out fundraises 5:1, while democrats keep winning special elections in red states, while republicans get worse and worse you’re constantly saying “dem party is bad, it’s not the voters fault” and trying very hard to paint a picture of how bad Biden is. Like I said it’s hard to tell you apart from the guy saying don’t vote.

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        EXCEPT THEY DID AND HE ALREADY BEAT TRUMP ONCE

        And what does that have to do with this election? Biden won when voters were fed up with Trump’s poor handling of COVID-19. Those were very different times.

        you are painting the whole party as bad

        Except I’m not.

        you’re constantly saying “dem party is bad, it’s not the voters fault”

        Again, I’m not saying that.

        trying very hard to paint a picture of how bad Biden is

        Again I’m not

        Like I said it’s hard to tell you apart from the guy saying don’t vote.

        Because you’re not reading what I’ve written and have built some weird strawman in place of it. I have very clearly said that I will vote for Biden, but if Biden loses it is the party’s fault for not having a good enough candidate. Pay attention to the words in that last sentence, specifically the if. I have not said he will lose or that I want him to lose.

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          You said run someone voters want to vote for, I provided an example of how VOTERS already said that’s Joe Biden, but you think that shouldn’t count because you know what every voter thinks. Also for some reason it’s VERY important that everyone knows how much you expect him to lose.

          You are certainly not saying anything good about Biden and in a thread full of “BuT HiLlArY ChEaTeD!” You def seem eager to shit all over Biden and how stupid the dnc is to run him, so yea you are calling the party bad. You don’t mention any accomplishments of the current admin or the party that could be reasons why shitty past polling can be taken with a grain of salt. No just that you will begrudgingly vote for who you feel everyone needs to know is the main reason why they’ll lose.

          I’m not making a straw man out of you not making any point other than associating negative shit to Biden and his party, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

          Congrats, while you claim to vote for the candidate you also feel compelled to shout is the main reason dems would lose… you still sound just like the guy saying the same thing and then concluding they shouldn’t vote at all.

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            but you think that shouldn’t count because you know what every voter thinks

            Do you even read what I write? I didn’t say that either.

            you expect him to lose

            I didn’t say that either.

            You are certainly not saying anything good about Biden and in a thread full of “BuT HiLlArY ChEaTeD!” You def seem eager to shit all over Biden and how stupid the dnc is to run him

            You are projecting a lot of insecurities on me that I haven’t said.

            I’m not making a straw man out of you not making any point other than associating negative shit to Biden and his party, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

            Except I haven’t done that either.

            you also feel compelled to shout is the main reason dems would lose

            I haven’t said that either.

            What about this are you not getting? I have only said that IF Biden loses it is not the fault of the voters it is the fault of the party, this includes the DNC and the primary voters, for choosing a candidate that wasn’t good enough. This in no way applies only to Biden. It in fact applies to all candidates that have ever run. It is not the job of the voters to vote for who a party, any party, wants them to vote for. It is the job of the party to earn the vote of the voters.