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NightOwl@lemm.ee to World News@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago

Ukraine tells critics of slow counteroffensive to 'shut up'

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Ukraine tells critics of slow counteroffensive to 'shut up'

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NightOwl@lemm.ee to World News@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago
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  • thecodemonk@programming.dev
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    The comment threads here are weird. Who, in their right mind, would ever support a country like Russia? It’s mind blowing.

    • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]@hexbear.net
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      It’s not supporting Russia to be critical of one-sided narratives or to call for peace for the sake of minimizing loss of life.

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        Russia is welcome to GTFO at any time.

        • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]@hexbear.net
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          The war was already going on before Russia sent troops in.

          • KevonLooney@lemm.ee
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            Right, Ukraine was fighting corruption. Russia entered on the side of… corruption.

            • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]@hexbear.net
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              “Fighting corruption” is an interesting way to describe sustained artillery bombardments of civilian targets.

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                Fighting this corruption:

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych

                • BodyBySisyphus [he/him]@hexbear.net
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                  Hoo boy wait til you see what Zelenskyy was up to.

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                  I’m not sure what that has to do with shelling cities, are you suggesting he was hiding in one of the buildings or what?

                  • FALGSConaut [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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                    Look, the heckin’ wholesome slava ukrainis didn’t know where he was so they had to shell everywhere! It’s like playing Battleship, except it’s mostly other random innocent people that you hit

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          A compromise now is bad for russia, russia basically has to be able to extort Western Europe to not to be crippled for decades. Germany is apparently working to that end now.

          • SixSidedUrsine [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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            It’s so fucking funny when the geopolitics understanders who have been drip-fed NATO propaganda state the clear opposite of reality and think they made an insightful comment.

            Russia has all but won the military conflict, as has been made clear by this utter failure of a “counteroffensive.” Russia is doing better economically than before the SMO, despite the supposed economic wunderwaffen sanctions that only backfired and hurt NATO countries. Russia has only gained support by most of the rest of the world and has showed the global south that the US/NATO are indeed paper tigers. Russia has all the leverage now. So yes, for Russia to compromise right now would be bad for them because they don’t need to compromise, they can keep going as they have been and eventually have their demands met, or Ukraine/NATO can recognize they’ve lost and make a bid for peace by acquiescing to Russia’s demands before more lives are needlessly lost.

            Ukraine on the other hand will be crippled for decades regardless of how things pan out. Ukraine is now deeply indebted to Western countries, has already had all national assets sold off, has had a major chunk of its working-age population killed or maimed, and is beholden to a fascist, nazi-worshipping government.

            As for Germany, yeah they have been working to the end of hobbling themselves for decades too by allowing their remaining industrial capacity to be completely gutted, kowtowing to their US masters that bombed their infrastructure to prevent them ever again getting oil from ‘The Bad Country,’ they have irreparably removed nuclear power as an option even as they’re facing an impending energy crisis (in large part because of aforementioned no-oil-from-bad-country), and are right now also sliding towards right wing populism.

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        So you’d want peace by Ukraine giving up its territory?

        How about peace talks that involve Russia giving back all Ukrainian lands (including Crimea) and pulling all troops out.

        • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]@hexbear.net
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          Why stop there, how about demanding Russia provide every Ukrainian with a talking unicorn buddy?

          I live in reality and when I say I want peace it means I believe in negotiating based on realistic expectations.

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          Shouldn’t the people of Crimea get to decide whether they want to live under Kyiv’s rule?

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            You mean the Russians that Russia settled there? Curious what you think about the Uighurs getting to break away a country from China.

            • marx_mentat [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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              Crimea was annexed with zero shots fired. Maybe Ukraine should respect the voices of the people living in eastern ukraine.

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        Ohh won’t someone think of the poor invading war criminals!

        • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]@hexbear.net
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          Ukrainians are dying too, including ones drafted against their will. Maybe you should fight in their place before asking them to die on your behalf.

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      Tankies.

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        You rang?

      • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net
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        Deride us as woke next.

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          Why would anyone do that? Wokeness is rad and cool, while tankies love to do fascist apologia, which is highly unwoke

          • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net
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            Oh look, calling communists fascists

            hitler-detector

            Surely people who do that aren’t supportive of double genocide theory, which Jewish holocaust scholars condemn as carrying water for nazism.

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              Every time I criticize tankies they:

              1. Lie about what I said
              2. Pretend I’m talking about all communists. If I wanted to do so, I would use the term “communists”. But I don’t see a reason to attack the group I myself belong to
              3. Try to “no U” with irrelevant insinuations
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                Oh, which successful communists are you talking about?

                Also, double genocide theory being holocaust trivialization still applies as it refers to calling the USSR fascist, if you think it is an irrelevant insuniation take it up with the Jewish holocaust scholars.

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                  As I said to the person below, learn reading comprehension or fuck off. I don’t want to engage in a conversation when I’m repeatedly being gaslit on what I said.

                  • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net
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                    Which successful communists aren’t you insulting by comparing to fascists, which again, carries water for fascists

          • SlyBlue [they/them]@hexbear.net
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            https://jacobin.com/2023/01/soviet-union-memorials-nazi-germany-holocaust-history-revisionism

            • hrosts@lemm.ee
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              Non-sequitur, I have nothing to reply to

              • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]@hexbear.net
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                Literally a direct reply to the exact thing you said

                • hrosts@lemm.ee
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                  Please learn reading comprehension

                  • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]@hexbear.net
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                    tankies love to do fascist apologia

                    I am quoting you here.

                    This is you committing the exact act being described in that article.

                    That makes it a direct reply to the exact thing you said.

                    Comment?

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        Tankies.

        I am very smart very-intelligent

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        t34 t34 tankie t34 t34

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          Imagine being proud of a t34. Oof

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            Your username is literally stuka. Also, remember when Germany had their asses destroyed by the red army? That was funny.

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              Haha, you think I’m gonna defend nazis? Nah, they were worse than the soviets, but not by much. You tankied are about equivalent to neo nazis in my book

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                https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

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            T34s were part of the army that defeated nazi Germany. Cope and seethe.

          • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]@hexbear.net
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            You named yourself after a Nazi dive bomber.

    • First@programming.dev
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      Hexbear.net is a Russian nationalist instance… They’ve grown up under Putin’s cencorship and state media brainwashing.

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        Lmao new tagline dropped.
        No one on hexbear supports Russia, it’s a neoliberal hellscape that’s somehow even worse than the us on LGBTQ rights. We just dont uncritically consume state department propaganda.

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      Tankies claim to not be supporting Russia but only point out issues with Ukraine and believe every bit of info that comes out of Russia.

      • BigHaas [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        Hexbear never criticizes Russia except for all the times we criticize Russia https://hexbear.net/post/278334

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      Get out of your bubble. The majority of the world supports Russia. It’s an uncommon view in Europe/USA, but common everywhere else.

      Also, being anti NATO expansion doesn’t mean you support Russia. That is a reductive world view.

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        Regardless of how many despots find Putin’s approach appealing, it remains fundamentally wrong.

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          Who said anything about despots? These are opinions of people, not rulers. Citizens of Africa, Asia, South America have suffered under US hegemony, so they view the Russian State different than you do.

          The world isn’t as simple as Russia bad, US good.

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            O rly? Because I thought things were simple. I, like everyone who isn’t already fully on team hexbear, am an idiot. Please cite your sources.

            • Alaskaball [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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              I, like everyone who isn’t already fully on team hexbear, am an idiot

              did they fix the emoji problem yet?

              FREUDIAN SLIP farquaad-point

              Please cite your sources.

              Source

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                What a surprise, a childish dipshit.

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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                  You sure are

                • Annakah69 [she/her]@hexbear.net
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                  All you’re doing is insulting people. This behavior is why PIGPOOPBALLS is a necessity.

                  • 𝒍𝒆𝒎𝒂𝒏𝒏@lemmy.one
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                    PPB aka juicy thread located

                    Emoji

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