The only good fascist is a very dead fascist.
I was thinking that another exception would be those who open their eyes and leave it behind, but then they are no longer fascists. So you could say their old fascist self is essentially dead too.
So while I do prefer this method as some ex-fascists may turn into anti-fascist advocates, and we can always use more help against fascism, it still doesn’t really counter the adage.
I agree that people can (and hopefully do) change their mindset in regards to fascism. Those that do may turn out as you mentioned, advocating against it.
I just don’t have faith anymore in that happening anytime soon (although I really hope people see what’s going on and change it).
Also my original message is a title of a song by Propaghandi. I would recommend it if you’re into more hardcore-esque punk.
I’m still hoping and doing what little I can in the meantime.
Although by some coincidence, the people we call fascist tend to spend alot of their time wishing alot of harm on all sorts of people they hate.
Am I becoming fascist?
Do other ethnic groups fill you with a mix of fear and hatred? Are you more comfortable being told what to do and think? Do you idolize the Military? Does “the enemy” seem both weak and strong to you?
Don’t forget the biggest indicator of a fascist:
“Are you not willing to call trans people what they want you to call them?”
Trans people are one of the easy out groups to vilify though that’s not exclusive to fascism
fuck that. I wish harm on fascists. lots of it. so much harm that other fascists are scared to even be associated with the word.
That’s step two or three, for sure. But the point being made is fascist isn’t a word that can be applied to anyone and everyone (setting aside the 2¢ insult version) - it is a specific political ideology that one earns by their words and actions.
Unfortunately it is also complex to diagnose, particularly in early stages, especially as intelligent budding fascists will deliberately evade the formal definitions while still finding ways to accomplish similar effects.
But yes - there’s also cases where fascists clearly and obviously are doing fascist things, and need to be stopped immediately, please feel free to give them a proper knuckle sandwich (or an appropriate grade of violence as the situation warrants)
I don’t call them Nazis because I dislike them, I dislike them because they’re Nazis.
No they are fascists, Nazi was the shorthand for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), the first 4 letters.
Fascism gets its name from Italy, Mussolini’s Fascist Party, but it is the name for the political ideology as a whole, there is no Nazism and Americans being called Nazis is kinda weird, imagine if the scenario was flipped and you called german fascists MAGAs.
Thanks for coming to my stickler talk.
If the situation were flipped, and Hitler was rising to power ~80 years after we had a massive war to take out MAGA fascists, then yeah I think people would refer to them as “MAGA”, at least at first.
Nazi
meansrefers to National Socialist, but at this point in history, it can also just refer to political movements that are fascist and Nazi-like. The meanings of words shift over time.Edit: Fixed to appease a pedant.
Nazi doesn’t mean national socialist, as I said it’s literally just the first 4 letters, a shorthand a nickname, American version for Republicans would be Repu/Repus.
Lots of people I have seen that think it’s Nazi because the Sozialistische has the Zi, it’s nonsense, Nazional is how germans pronounce National, hence it’s shortened to Nazi.
Nazi doesn’t mean national socialist
Ridiculously pedantic. Come on.
You are confusing National Socialism with Leftist-Nationalism
The reason Hitler added Social to their party name was because it was political suicide not to, not because they where socialists.
I was quoting the person above me. Read the chain again, I’m well aware of what Nazi means.
Sorry indeed I misplaced my reply
I mean, so was my first comment, not sure what you expected 😃
IMO it’s more offensive to call MAGAs a Nazi. And I’m certainly looking for maximum effect. I couldn’t care less about the etymology of Nazi.
I call them Repubs at this point because they don’t want to say things like “Democratic politicians” opting instead for “Democrat politicians” because they’re worried democratic sounds too good.
I think republican sounds too good. They don’t want a republic, they want a tyrant.
So, tyrannist? Hmm that’s not catchy. Maybe just autocrat but that doesn’t contain the root of the word tyrannus. Best I got for ya.
Tyranids?🤷♂️
Nah I’ll stick with repubs
That works for me dude.
How about nationalist?
I don’t live in America, and many people here actually do use MAGA or Trumpism to describe the local right wing people and parties because they are largely just copying America…
What do you call people who wear red and black swastikas and say heil Hitler while doing a salute typical of the Nazi party?
assholes.
Lazy and derivative
Romans?
imagine if the scenario was flipped and you called german fascists MAGAs.
It’s semantics. The German and American fascists all pull from the same ideological and rhetorical playbook.
Veneration of the national security state. Zealous religious orthodoxy. Obsession with loyalty oaths and ethnicity sorting. Reflexive xenophobia. Institutionalized quackery.
It’s all the same shit. Same as Apartheid Africa. Same as Kuomanting China. Same as Pinochet’s Chile and Milei’s Argentina.
Nazi is short for Nationalsozialist though. The party wasn’t called Nazi, the members were.
It was and is literally called the Nazi Party https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party
The Nazi Party,[b] officially the National Socialist German Workers’ Party
I am German. We don’t call it that. Nobody says Nazipartei, it’s NSDAP. Nazi Party is an English expression and has nothing to do with the etymology of the word Nazi.
Nazi is short for Nationalsozialist. https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi (the english version of this article points to the ideology of nazism, the original is about the term. Use a translator if you’re interested.)
It was coined in the 1920s and it’s not an American term. You call the party Nazi Party because it was the party of the nazis, not the other way around.
I stand corrected then
Imagine gatekeeping nazis.
Sir that is Cody’s Showdy and he is a srs journalist not a shitposter
We sit at the feet of Warmbo, he shall bless us with his corn cream…
Corned cream. It’s cream that goes through a Corning process. The cream itself is not corn based.
This was a very good episode.
If you look like a fascist and talk like a fascist and act like a fascist you are probably a freaking fascist and that’s the way people are going to deal with you until you give them evidence to the contrary.
The only good nazi is a dead nazi.
Just be more careful than Santa. He only checks his list twice cause the worst punishment he gives is a lump of coal. The guillotine is a lot more absolute in its punishment.
MAGAts = Neo-Nazis + Fascists.
Generally, the people who claim the meaning has changed or been watered down are fascists or their sympathizers or prescriptivists that fail to understand how language evolves. Watch them come out of the woodwork to explain how nobody is a nazi because the National Socialist party doesn’t exist anymore. Buncha stupid fucking bastards.
They’re not literally gassing people, so they can’t be nazis. It’s only after the fact we get to ask who could have seen this coming.
You know, like they practice with school shootings every day. Desensitization is a big part.
A dead giveaway is when they start throwing around the word ‘nuance.’
It must be in the script they’re all taught, because every closet fascist or astroturfer loves defending fascist policies and actions with “nuance.”
“Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance”
-Albert Maysles
Oh spare me. We’re talking about people supporting white supremacy as “nuanced” policy.
I won’t spare you, but you feel free to keep talking about whatever you want
Correct.
Fascism has always included people who call transwomen men. That’s nothing new.
But it has been watered down. Its been watered down by all the culture war weirdos who claim everyone who doesnt agree with them, is a nazi and fascist. And its not just the left aiming at the right, its fucking everyone. Dont like video game? You must be a fascist. Dont like a movie? You must be a nazi!
Its like “paedo”. That one lost all meaning as well. Even going so far as to label dating 25 year olds “paedo behaviour”. Social media, if it does nothing else, totally ruins the meaning of words in favour of gaining worthless internet up arrows by saying popular thing over and over and over and over again.
For the first: those are just idiots being idiots. The word isn’t watered down by idiots usage. The word still means the same things. It just means the population around you that believes this is fascist adjacent and an idiot.
Again hard disagree. It still means diddling kids. There just more idiots around and are more vocal.
Well it’s like the word racist, it still has its connotation, but since it’s been overused so much it loses a lot of the impact that word originally had.
The other thing watering it down does is make it easier for actual racists, fascists or paedos to be more open about it and openly embrace it. After all, if an entire group is calling you a racist for multiple years, why not embrace that term?
Sounds like you acTquiescing to being an idiot too. Which just makes you an idiot lmao.
People choosing not to believe DJT is not a Paedo is not me watering the word down. It’s those people being idiots. I can call Elon a Nazi because he did a Nazi salute, twice on national TV. Again anyone that says otherwise is an idiot.
You’re basically making these blanket statements and accusing people of stuff with no proof. Elon is right wing, and trump is a creep, but he’s not a paedo.
A word is watered down when it is used to describe anything and everything. And in case you missed it, we are surrounded by idiots being idiots and doing just that.
But I do wish harm on fascists…
“It is the correct word for donald trump and the people around him”
Watched this yesterday and “Charles Entertainment Kirk” fucking murdered me
Got a link? I don’t know who this is but my curiosity is piqued.
The post includes a link to the very video, but here it is again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD3rSA4FSqk
It’s a very good analysis of political violence in the US. Cody Showdy generally does great work discussing not just the news, but the olds too. Fair and Balanced™©® and all that.
Thanks, for some reason when I was looking at post earlier it was just the screenshot, no link. Maybe it didn’t load properly, happened to me sometimes with Lemmy.
Love the Cody Showdy
I love the channel too, but I haven’t watched any of it for about a year. I just don’t have the mental energy to get that into so many topics that, while they’re objectively bad, don’t apply much to me as a non-american. Just the daily reading of posts from lemmy and the grounded app, both worldwide and local to me can be too much some days. It sucks cause I like the show and podcast, and love their humor, but there’s not really any way to interact with it without diving deep into fucked up shit.
Oh! This is the guy who talked about what a shithead Fetterman was even before the stroke! I could never find it again but I remember his face.
The channel‘s called Some More News
Lol nice username
I also enjoy your username.
Yeah, some more news is one of my favourites. I tend to listen to it like a podcast when i am driving to and from work. But the visuals help sometimes.
Its a great showdy.
They release both Some More News, and their related show Even More News as podcasts as well, for those who prefer that format.
I try to listen to SMN once in a while, but I often leave it for when I can watch the video. It needs different editing to truly work as a podcast, there’s a lot of info presented as pictures or graphs and skimmed over by the narration. And you miss all the jokes made by the title card monkey.
Agree! SMN I usually watch, but EMN I usually just listen to the pod.
Some More News is really good.
Their 3 hours takedown of Jordan Peterson is epic.
The ‘Elon Musk Is Not Your Friend’ episode was what woke me up to what a shithead he is. I’ve been a fan since it was called ‘Some News’ when they were still on Cracked.
The Rogan one was pretty good too.
Don’t look at the timestamp!
It’s a short video. Didn’t Jonathan write that one, too?
Never listen to fascists calling others communists, for them communism means any opposition to their fascism.
Cody seems so dispirited for months. Not that I blame him at all.
We’ve all been dispirited for months bud. Anyone who acts otherwise is either ignorant or hiding it.
I have a coworker that is not a trumpet and not dispirited. They positively radiate denial. They don’t watch news or keep up on current events. Just a total ostrich.
Yet they are the ones that have energy to do the dishes. Following politics is exhausting!
And that’s by design too isn’t it? Keep everyone exhausted keep everyone busy keep everyone watching everything and there’s too much for any one person to follow, any group to follow and so if they throw enough at the wall some of it’s going to stick and that’s what they’ve been doing for the past two Trump terms and that’s what they’re going to continue doing.
He doesn’t have enough Warmbo in his life right now! /s
Cody, Katy, AND Robert Evans seem to be completely losing hope lately.
