Meh, imo compared to most of Star Trek or Babylon 5 it was kinda mid (even Star Wars - The Clone War was better). Just basically American mil-prop but in space.
Let me remind you of the original premise: A conspiracy theorist nutjobeccentric professor (thinks aliens build the pyramids, but is somehow still allowed to lecture at an university) is hired by the military to help them explore an unknown world where they have to save uncivilised savageshelpless slaves (using, you’ve guessed it: guns) from an evil dictatorall powerfull god (who still needs slaves tho).
The more I think about it, it’s not even mid, it’s crap. It has no wonder for what’s beyond the stars, just a constant psychotic fear of anything that could even remotely be considered a danger to AmericaEarth. And the only solution to it is shoot at it.
The big sci fi win in stargate is how highly they rated internal consistency and having a scientific basis where possible. Apparently that was mostly because the actress playing Carter absolutely refused to tell bullshit gobbledegook and forced the writers to do it properly.
It’s subtle, and not always perfectly followed, but if you take the episode where they gate to the black hole, they have significant screen time justifying why the time dilation is so strong when the gravitational effects are so weak. It shouldn’t work that way and they acknowledge that explicitly, but obviously they wanted a fun time dilation story so they call it out and explain it as an unexpected side effect of the gate wormhole. So sure, they sometimes make science do what they need it to do for the story, but they try hard to justify it.
Star Trek meanwhile barely follows its own rules most of the time, let alone actually acknowledging real physics
Oh absolutely, and I’ll happily admit it. I know almost nothing about SG, but then again I have some strong opinions about christianity without having read the work of fiction they base their whole lives around.
I just remember that your mother should stone you to death, if you wear clothing woven from two types of fabric or sth along those lines. Who cares about details of a mediocre work of fiction?
And the military not even consulting a real scientist makes its antiinterlectualism worse lol
They’re not all that afraid of what’s out there. They spend most of their time trying to make friends and messing things up by acting like American tourists.
In fact, most of the reason for why humanity is so powerful towards the end of the show is that several of the powerful species have befriended humanity and have given their tech to them.
It’s still milprop but milprop that places a surprisingly large emphasis on diplomacy and dealing with people in good faith. You know, what the USA typically don’t do.
That’s why they are always sending armed soliders first?
Milprop is often like that: Oh no we’re the diplomatic good guys forced to fight. Why are they making us do this? We could’ve been friends, if you just allowed us to install our puppetsigned our trade agreement. Now we unfortunately have to raze your cities and salt your fields. I hope you’re sorry :'(
Best show <3
Meh, imo compared to most of Star Trek or Babylon 5 it was kinda mid (even Star Wars - The Clone War was better). Just basically American mil-prop but in space.
Let me remind you of the original premise: A
conspiracy theorist nutjobeccentric professor (thinks aliens build the pyramids, but is somehow still allowed to lecture at an university) is hired by the military to help them explore an unknown world where they have to saveuncivilised savageshelpless slaves (using, you’ve guessed it: guns) from anevil dictatorall powerfull god (who still needs slaves tho).The more I think about it, it’s not even mid, it’s crap. It has no wonder for what’s beyond the stars, just a constant psychotic fear of anything that could even remotely be considered a danger to
AmericaEarth. And the only solution to it is shoot at it.The big sci fi win in stargate is how highly they rated internal consistency and having a scientific basis where possible. Apparently that was mostly because the actress playing Carter absolutely refused to tell bullshit gobbledegook and forced the writers to do it properly.
It’s subtle, and not always perfectly followed, but if you take the episode where they gate to the black hole, they have significant screen time justifying why the time dilation is so strong when the gravitational effects are so weak. It shouldn’t work that way and they acknowledge that explicitly, but obviously they wanted a fun time dilation story so they call it out and explain it as an unexpected side effect of the gate wormhole. So sure, they sometimes make science do what they need it to do for the story, but they try hard to justify it.
Star Trek meanwhile barely follows its own rules most of the time, let alone actually acknowledging real physics
it pleases me that the actress who played Carter cared about science like the character.
Boo.
Haters gonna hate Gaters gonna gate
Daniel Jackson was lecturing to like five people in a hotel lobby at the start of the movie. He was a known crank. He just happened to be right.
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Ah, okay my bad. Whatched that movie 10+ years ago and that’s how I’ve remembered it.
you certainly have very strong opinions about something you can’t exactly remember. It’s ok to be wrong though we won’t hold it against you :-)
Oh absolutely, and I’ll happily admit it. I know almost nothing about SG, but then again I have some strong opinions about christianity without having read the work of fiction they base their whole lives around.
I just remember that your mother should stone you to death, if you wear clothing woven from two types of fabric or sth along those lines. Who cares about details of a mediocre work of fiction?
And the military not even consulting a real scientist makes its antiinterlectualism worse lol
They’re not all that afraid of what’s out there. They spend most of their time trying to make friends and messing things up by acting like American tourists.
In fact, most of the reason for why humanity is so powerful towards the end of the show is that several of the powerful species have befriended humanity and have given their tech to them.
It’s still milprop but milprop that places a surprisingly large emphasis on diplomacy and dealing with people in good faith. You know, what the USA typically don’t do.
the SG teams embody American ideals, while the NID embodies American history. specifically, the NID acts like '60s CIA.
Instructions unclear: Revolt, enjoy your new dictator, and ignore the CIA agents out back unloading cocaine.
That’s why they are always sending armed soliders first?
Milprop is often like that: Oh no we’re the diplomatic good guys forced to fight. Why are they making us do this? We could’ve been friends, if you just
allowed us to install our puppetsigned our trade agreement. Now we unfortunately have to raze your cities and salt your fields. I hope you’re sorry :'(I mean, that argument can be applied against Star Trek too, they always send an armed warship to make first contact.
They don’t go in with guns/phasers ready, heck most of the times they don’t even raise shields beforehand.
And they have a whole protocol and rules for this:
Which is the same thing SG-1 did, make peaceful contact with weapons for defense.
Even with shields down a federation starship is still a very capable warship.
They’re sending a robot with a camera first. Then it’s two soldiers + two scientists.
It’s okay to be wrong =p
I know, I don’t hold it against you :D
If you watch too many episodes at once you realize they all end in shootouts, and then you feel sad.
“I do not understand why everything in this script must inevitably explode”
That was because we like shootouts. It’s sad yes, but also fun.