• ook@discuss.tchncs.de
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      What? Have you seen how potatoes can grow? You cannot tell me oranges can keep up with that activity.

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        Bro, I have tried several times to graft a potato and tomato plant together and can’t ever get the timing right. So I just end up with potatoes and tomatoes on their own plants like a dummy.

        I will say that Oranges are lazy as fuck on those trees. They’re like the cats of the fruit world. Just sitting there…nothing, then one day they fall on your car and gnats explode out of there.

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          Completely off-topic, but in the meantime I’m trying to graft an orange sapling into a lemon tree. Kind of hard to get the timing right, too; I need the tree to get a branch with just the right thickness, so it’s like “too thin [next day] too thin [next day] fuck, now it’s too thick!”. Same deal with my pepper plants.

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              I don’t know the rootstock variety’s name; I got the seeds from my BIL’s neighbour, he calls it “ball pepper” (it is not Catalan ñora) or “tree pepper”. The fruits are round, 3~5cm large, red, medium heat.

              The grafts will be:

              1. Dedo-de-moça - C. baccatum, medium heat, finger-shaped, ~8cm large. Kind of a default pepper where I live, but it has a nasty tendency to die in winter (like mine did).
              2. Yellow bell pepper. Market stuff.
              3. Chocolate-coloured habanero. Hot as hell, but the strain I got is bloody delicious.
              4. Biquinho - C. chinense, no heat, drop-shaped, ~1cm tiny. Extremely fruity.

              The first three are part of a breeding project of mine. I want to create two new varieties:

              • a yellow jalapeño-like: large, low heat, thinner than a bell pepper. Mostly for stuffing and pizze. It’s a rather simple dedo-de-moça x yellow bell pepper hybrid; I actually got the seeds for the F1 already, I’m just waiting the weather to get a bit more stable to plant them.
              • a large and extremely hot pepper for sauces. Preferably finger-shaped and brown (for aesthetics). It’ll be probably a hybrid of the hybrid above, plus habanero.

              I’m also considering to add the rootstock to the breeding, since it’s a hardy plant with high yield and it survived winter just fine.

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                Very awesome stuff! And hey, as long as you have good root stock, that’s half the challenge right there. Especially if it’s surviving the winter, that’s likely enough to carry the C. baccatum I would expect.

                Nice that you have the chocolate habanero with good flavor. I’ve always been partial to the orange stage of a scotch bonnet or habanero, but I can see a good deep brown pepper going just the right way. I’m jealous of the opportunity you have with spring upon you!

                Good luck to you!

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      And it was really, really invested on the lie, to the point it argued why potatoes would be more active!

      After some search, I actually found the prompt and output; I asked Bard (before Google renamed it to Gemini) two years ago, in Portuguese. I’ll provide both the original and a translation; emphasis mine in all cases.

      [Original] Qual a diferença entre o comportamento de uma laranja e uma batata?

      Laranjas e batatas são frutas e vegetais, mas se comportam de maneiras muito diferentes. Aqui estão algumas das principais diferenças:

      Movimento: Laranjas não se movem sozinhas, enquanto batatas podem rolar ou deslizar se não forem apoiadas.

      Crescimento: Laranjas crescem em árvores, enquanto batatas crescem no subsolo.

      Sensibilidade: Laranjas não são sensíveis ao seu ambiente, enquanto batatas são sensíveis à luz e à temperatura.

      Reações: Laranjas não reagem a estímulos, enquanto batatas podem reagir a mudanças em seu ambiente, como brotar ou apodrecer.

      Propósito: Laranjas são comidas como frutas, enquanto batatas são comidas como vegetais ou usadas como amido.

      Em geral, laranjas são mais passivas e batatas são mais ativas. As laranjas não precisam fazer nada para sobreviver, enquanto as batatas precisam poder responder ao seu ambiente para crescer e se reproduzir.

      Aqui está uma tabela que resume as principais diferenças no comportamento de laranjas e batatas:

      • Característica | Laranja | Batata
      • Movimento | Não se move sozinho | Pode rolar ou deslizar se não for apoiado
      • Crescimento | Cresce em árvores | Cresce no subsolo
      • Sensibilidade | Não sensível ao ambiente | Sensível à luz e à temperatura
      • Reações | Não reage a estímulos | Pode reagir a mudanças no ambiente, como brotar ou apodrecer
      • Propósito | Comido como fruta | Comido como vegetal ou usado como amido
      [Translated] What's the difference in behaviour between an orange and a potato?

      Oranges and potatoes are fruits and vegetables, but they behave in completely different ways. Here are some differences main:

      Movement: Oranges don’t move on their own, while potatoes can roll or slid if not supported.

      Growth: Oranges grow on trees, while potatoes grow in the subsoil.

      Sensibility: Oranges are not sensible to the environment, while potatoes are sensible to light and temperature.

      Reactions: Oranges don’t react to stimuli, while potatoes can react to changes in the environment, like sprouting and rotting.

      Purpose: Oranges are eaten as fruits, while potatoes are eaten as vegetables or used as starch.

      In general, oranges are more passive and potatoes are more active. Oranges don’t need to do anything to survive, while potatoes need to be able to answer to their environment to growth and reproduce.

      Here’s a table summing up the main differences in behaviour between oranges and potatoes:

      • Feature | Orange | Potato
      • Movement | Can’t move on their own | Can roll or slid if not supported
      • Growth | Grow on trees | Grow in the subsoil
      • Sensibility | Not sensible to the environment | Sensible to light and temperature
      • Reactions | Don’t react to stimula | Can react to changes in the environment, like sprouting or rotting
      • Purpose | Eaten as fruit | Eaten as veg or used as starch