Oh, like actual mechanical robots. I thought that maybe they simply identify as artificial people, like androids from Blade runner, but you mean like actually mechanical robots? What is their relation to biological functions like eating and defecating? Do they pretend they don’t do it? What about breathing? Are they troubled by the fact that they have to breath? Do they still go to doctors when they go sick? I get it that someone can dress up and pretend they are a robot but what does “identify with robot” means? For me that just sounds like making fun of trans people.
i’m not them, so i can’t provide you a comprehensive set of answers, and i’m fairly sure those answers vary, as well (e.g. someone who identifies closer to an android is probably less bothered by breathing than someone who identifies closer to a full robot or other mechanical or digital being; and yea, ofc, some people identify as androids while others identify as robots)
i also, as another trans person, don’t really find it to be my responsibility to question people on the validity of their identities. in fact, many of the people who identify this way are also trans. i’ve seen the phrase “from the moment i understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. i craved the strength and certainty of steel” posted quite commonly in trans communities; the trans/trans humanism thing is like, a whole… thing
so i would actually argue that the usage of clanker disproportionately affects the trans community, since i believe (although, i cannot prove this in any way) that the majority of people who identify as something robotic or artificial are also transgender; just by virtue of transgender folks being more likely to understand the true breadth and width that identity can encompass
But how does that work in practice? What does a person that identify as a robot do? Do they simply say they identify as robot but act totally human or do they do “robot” things? Do they expect some special treatment? Do you have to be careful around them so that you don’t insult them by talking about them like about biological beings? Do they dress up as robots?
it seems like you may have missed the first part of my last response, so i’ll copy it here again:
i’m not them, so i can’t provide you a comprehensive set of answers, and i’m fairly sure those answers vary (*by individual), as well
i would also encourage you to not worry about the answers to those questions very much, since it’s plainly obvious you don’t have any people who identify as or with robots in your life, so it’s not really a situation you need to worry about. and, should you meet one, i would encourage you to direct your questions to them with the same sensitivity you would ask of a cisgender person asking questions about a transgender person, and also to remember that, while there are commonalities in experience, everyone is unique in their own way, as well
respectfully, i’m not sure you’re engaging in good faith, so i don’t really want to interact with you anymore. if you’d like to demonstrate that you’re not “just asking questions”, i’ll be happy to chat more; but again, i do not identify with robots - i simply think people who do are still worthy of respect - so i’m not sure i have anything worthwhile left to say to you, anyways
All my questions in the previous comment were about how YOU treat/interact with them, not about their feelings/thoughts. When you said you have friends that identify as robots I understood you’re talking about real life friends you interact with but I guess you could have meant online friends or just people you know from social media or something. Never mind. I was just curious, not looking to question anyone’s identity or anything.
Oh, like actual mechanical robots. I thought that maybe they simply identify as artificial people, like androids from Blade runner, but you mean like actually mechanical robots? What is their relation to biological functions like eating and defecating? Do they pretend they don’t do it? What about breathing? Are they troubled by the fact that they have to breath? Do they still go to doctors when they go sick? I get it that someone can dress up and pretend they are a robot but what does “identify with robot” means? For me that just sounds like making fun of trans people.
i’m not them, so i can’t provide you a comprehensive set of answers, and i’m fairly sure those answers vary, as well (e.g. someone who identifies closer to an android is probably less bothered by breathing than someone who identifies closer to a full robot or other mechanical or digital being; and yea, ofc, some people identify as androids while others identify as robots)
i also, as another trans person, don’t really find it to be my responsibility to question people on the validity of their identities. in fact, many of the people who identify this way are also trans. i’ve seen the phrase “from the moment i understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. i craved the strength and certainty of steel” posted quite commonly in trans communities; the trans/trans humanism thing is like, a whole… thing
so i would actually argue that the usage of clanker disproportionately affects the trans community, since i believe (although, i cannot prove this in any way) that the majority of people who identify as something robotic or artificial are also transgender; just by virtue of transgender folks being more likely to understand the true breadth and width that identity can encompass
But how does that work in practice? What does a person that identify as a robot do? Do they simply say they identify as robot but act totally human or do they do “robot” things? Do they expect some special treatment? Do you have to be careful around them so that you don’t insult them by talking about them like about biological beings? Do they dress up as robots?
it seems like you may have missed the first part of my last response, so i’ll copy it here again:
i would also encourage you to not worry about the answers to those questions very much, since it’s plainly obvious you don’t have any people who identify as or with robots in your life, so it’s not really a situation you need to worry about. and, should you meet one, i would encourage you to direct your questions to them with the same sensitivity you would ask of a cisgender person asking questions about a transgender person, and also to remember that, while there are commonalities in experience, everyone is unique in their own way, as well
respectfully, i’m not sure you’re engaging in good faith, so i don’t really want to interact with you anymore. if you’d like to demonstrate that you’re not “just asking questions”, i’ll be happy to chat more; but again, i do not identify with robots - i simply think people who do are still worthy of respect - so i’m not sure i have anything worthwhile left to say to you, anyways
All my questions in the previous comment were about how YOU treat/interact with them, not about their feelings/thoughts. When you said you have friends that identify as robots I understood you’re talking about real life friends you interact with but I guess you could have meant online friends or just people you know from social media or something. Never mind. I was just curious, not looking to question anyone’s identity or anything.