I’ve always been curious how fascism takes hold, and how people like Hitler, Stalin. etc rise to power. Do people not see what is happening? Shouldn’t hindsight, foresight and common sense kick in at some point? I used t think they were like mob bosses early on - anyone disagreeing with them ends up in a barrel, but surely were civilized and educated by now?

It seems the people don’t want to jeopardize their comfortable livelihoods and individual lives so expect the ‘powerful elected officials’ to do their bidding. After all, the public gave them the power to do just that. Otoh, the politicians don’t want to jeopardize their cushy jobs and accumulated power by challenging the majority, so are waiting for the public to start a jan6 situation so they can point and say, ‘see, the people are unhappy so we should act’.

It’s a shitstorm of no consequences and a man child hacking away at the country and no one seems to be doing anything meaningful. I’m literally watching fascism take place.

History/ psychology/ sociology majors care to chime in?

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    Mismanagement and misplaced grievances.

    The former is the cause for 99% of the problems societies face.

    Essentially, conmen will con useful idiots, and then the useful idiots will get mad at their peers instead of their rulers because it’s easier.

    Stupidity is also a major factor, because useful idiots aren’t capable of understanding how they’re being taken for a ride.

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    It depends on blaming a minority group for problems that people face instead of addressing the problems. It’s the natural progression of a system that enables sycophants.

    Wealth is finite, the amount of currency in existence is finite. The rich benefit at the expense of the poor, the poor benefit at the expense of the rich.

    If a leader is benefitting from worsening the lives of the poor, and doesn’t want to change their goals, they need to distract the poor from the problems they need addressed. The most common way is to trick them into thinking an “expendible” minority is the cause, and the only solution is to erase them. This distraction also allows the leaders to further erode the rights of the poor in the process.

    Until it all inevitably collapses, because a society where things only get worse for the vast majority are not sustainable

    Wealth redistribution kills fascism

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        It absolutely is finite, there is an economic theory that says wealth is theoretically infinite, but it’s theory, not reality.

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            1 is a finite number

            1+1 is a finite number

            1+? Is a finite number, even if you don’t know what it is

            If you look at the amount of currency at any given point in time you can absolutely track every debt and dollar to a number, the fact that that number is always changing does not stop it from being finite.

            You’re really embarrassing yourself here

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              So in your opinion, infinite doesn’t exist? If you can keep printing money whenever you want, no, the amount of currency in existence is not finite. What is the limit of how much of a currency can be created? What is the limit of USD? If it’s finite then you should be able to answer.

              You’re really embarrassing yourself here

              Not me who’s doing that lol. You just said this lol…

              1+? Is a finite number, even if you don’t know what it is

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                Is human population infinite too? More babies are made all the time, i don’t know if there’s a limit to how many can be born

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    As I’m sure many have already told you Stalin was not a Fascist. I’m not sure if you’re asking about fascists in specific and used a wrong example or about totalitarianism in general and used the wrong word.

    For fascism in specific it’s usually about a common enemy and economic crisis that can be pinned on that enemy. But there are other stuff as well, there’s a great movie called “Die Welle” (The Wave) which is based on an actual scientific experiment called The Third Wave in which a teacher showed how fascism is able to take root.

    For totalitarianism in general the answer is a lot more complex, each dictator grew to power their own way, but populism and fear mongering are common practices.

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      I asked about fascism in particular in the title, but certainly welcome input about other types of authoratarianism/ totalitarianism. It’s the psychology of how they slip though the public view and entrenches itself that I’m most interested in, because of what is happening around us atm.

      During psychology class, we were taught about the authority figure dilemma, in that normal, decent people proceeded to inflict (acted) pain on another just because some person in a lab coat asked them to. Just trying to form my understanding from the myriad inputs, as to why the public and elected joes seem so unable/ unwilling to act.

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      I…. Love/Hate the fact that a lot of people complained that the ending of the book and the movie differed so much, and only few of those people actually understood the meaning of the book

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    Bigotry, that’s how. People have problems, the economy is struggling. They need a scapegoat. So someone like Hitler or Trump convince them that all their problems are caused by jews or immigrants or LGBT people or some other minority group and that everything will be fixed by getting rid of that group

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      Why is the economy struggling while rich people live in luxury?

      I’d say what’s causing people grief is a bigger trigger for fascism than how they react to it.

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      Or that all their problems are caused by and will be fixed by getting rid of all of the people who disagree with their ideologies and political allegiance. They call for censorship of those people, they try to get them de-platformed/fired and arrested for wrong-think, outlaw their ability to get any power, and they try to paint them as all sorts of horrible things and say that if you disagree then you’re also those horrible things.

      Radicalisation, basically, and if you think it’s only one side doing it, you’re well on your way.

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    From They Thought They Were Free: The Germans 1933 - 1945, in which the author Milton Mayer got to know and interviewed 10 Nazis (the mentioned “friends”) about the rise of fascism:

    Because the mass movement of Nazism was nonintellectual in the beginning, when it was only practice, it had to be anti- intellectual before it could be theoretical. What Mussolini’s official philosopher, Giovanni Gentile, said of Fascism could have been better said of Nazi theory: “We think with our blood.” Expertness in thinking, exemplified by the professor, by the high- school teacher, and even by the grammar- school teacher in the village, had to deny the Nazi views of history, economics, literature, art, philosophy, politics, biology, and education itself. Thus Nazism, as it proceeded from practice to theory, had to deny expertness in thinking and then (this second process was never completed), in order to fill the vacuum, had to establish expert thinking of its own— that is, to find men of inferior or irresponsible caliber whose views conformed dishonestly or, worse yet, honestly to the Party line. The nonpolitical pastor satisfied Nazi requirements by being nonpolitical. But the nonpolitical schoolmaster was, by the very virtue of being nonpolitical, a dangerous man from the first. He himself would not rebel, nor would he, if he could help it, teach rebellion; but he could not help being dangerous— not if he went on teaching what was true. In order to be a theory and not just a practice, National Socialism required the destruction of academic independence. In the years of its rise the movement little by little brought the community’s attitude toward the teacher around from respect and envy to resentment, from trust and fear to suspicion. The development seems to have been inherent; it needed no planning and had none. As the Nazi emphasis on nonintellectual virtues (patriotism, loyalty, duty, purity, labor, simplicity, “blood,” “folk- ishness”) seeped through Germany, elevating the self- esteem of the “little man,” the academic profession was pushed from the very center to the very periphery of society. Germany was preparing to cut its own head off. By 1933 at least five of my ten friends (and I think six or seven) looked upon “intellectuals” as unreliable and, among these unreliables, upon the academics as the most insidiously situated.

    Anti-intellectualism isn’t the only ingredient, but it’s one of the most important. It’s a reactionary movement that injects hate into people’s hearts in order to consolidate power for the privileged. Those “little men” who support the regime feel that they were elevated above the people whom they hate, and were often the beneficiaries of the cruel treatment and dispossession of the victims.

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      It’s terribly discouraging. Like you’re being punished for taking the time to build yourself up. ‘And the meek shall inherit the earth’ also has these control undertones, as does every skilled worker made to work under the policies and management of an unskilled manager because he ‘knew a guy’. ‘Inferior’ lol.

      In my country we sarcastically remark ‘its not what you know, it’s who you know’, while the quality of the workforce abd personal education continues to decline. More true now than ever.

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    If you’re seriously wondering then I’d highly recommend reading Daniel Guerrin’s Fascism and Big Business. And Antonio Gramsci’s Prison Notebook, particularly the section The Problem of Political Leadership in the Formation and Development of the Nation and the Modern State in Italy.

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    People get frustrated by circumstances they don’t necessarily understand. Fascists give them easy targets based on lies that feed the people’s prejudice to place their blame, and introduce more and more oppressive social restrictions based on those easy targets while riling up public fears and so on.

    That is how lies about immigrant and minority crime have primed the US populace to be ok with the military occupying the nation’s capital based on blatant lies about crime rates.

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      more and more oppressive social restrictions

      Enforcing long standing immigration laws don’t count as that lol. You know what does? Introducing things like “vaccine passports”, mandating vaccines to keep your job, contact tracing, digital IDs, trying to get rid of free speech, etc. Do any of those sound familiar?

      Also your comment about the lies about DCs crime rate is hilarious given the allegations and investigations into doctoring of the crime statistics to make it look safer than it is. The police officers union are the ones making the allegations btw, so it’s hard to argue against them when they’re the ones who are being ordered by higher ups to report lower offences than what actually occurred.

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      I’ve noted that. Tighten wages, blame the immigrants. Turn sentiment against them, gradually dehumanize them, then use force to ship them out. Apply to group of choice - foreign or domestic. ‘Protecting rights’ is just a rallying cry and a tool for the politicians.

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        The people crying for illegal immigrants to be allowed to stay are the ones who want wages to stay low, ironically. Illegals are used as dirt cheap labor because of their illegal status, and deporting them and only hiring legal citizens would drastically increase the average wage.

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    Fascist propaganda is highly effective, and no one is immune to propaganda. Humans are emotional creatures, prone to being whipped up into a frenzy. You identify a(n imaginary) threat, and offer a very simple solution to it. The logic of whether or not the solution sounds morally correct doesn’t matter because 1.) The problem is made up anyways and 2.) The propagandist is appealing to the id, not the superego.

    Remember that thinking is the greatest threat to fascism, exercise your brain as often as possible.

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    Dude just look outside.

    Edit: i used to have big long lectures about the psychology of it, or how it exists as a system. But now you can just look outside.

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    There’s an essay titled “Ur-Fascism” by Eco Umberto. It’s available online for free, you can Google it. It might give you some good insight on the subject. It’s mandatory reading, imo.