NY State Assembly Bill 2023-A8132
www.nysenate.gov
Requires a criminal history background check for the purchase of a three-dimensional printer capable of creating firearms; prohibits sale to a person who would be disqualified on the basis of criminal history from being granted a license to possess a firearm.

cross-posted from: https://ttrpg.network/post/4222671

Want a 3D printer in New York? Get ready for fingerprinting and a 15 day wait

Assembly Bill A8132 has been assigned a “Same As” bill in the Senate: S8586 [NYSenate.gov] [A8132 - 2023]

I don’t own a gun, I never have and I don’t plan to at any time in the future. But if these pass in the NYS Senate and Congress, it would be required to submit fingerprints for a background check then wait 15 days, before you could own any “COMPUTER OR COMPUTER-DRIVEN MACHINE OR DEVICE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A THREE-DIMENSIONAL OBJECT FROM A DIGITAL MODEL.”

This isn’t even going to stop any crimes from happening, for pity sakes regular guns end up in criminal charges all the time, regardless of background check laws. How about some real change and effective measures, rather then virtue-signaling and theater illusion for a constituency?

  • Pohl@lemmy.worldEnglish
    554·
    9 months ago

    3d printed plastic guns are real in a sense but not in any practical way. I am not sure why so many people think this is a concern. If I have a box of ammo, I can probably go into my shop and come up with a way to fire it. I doubt I would use my 3d printer in that project though. There are better ways to makeshift a weapon.

    • fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.comEnglish
      312·
      9 months ago

      While I majorly disagree with this legislation, its not about plastic guns.

      They only regulate the part of a gun that has the serial number, not the other parts. For “repairability.” Guess what that one part is easily made of? Yup, plastic.

      People are printing the easy part, and buying all the rest in metal. Proper control would be to regulate the sale of commercially manufactured replacement parts, not a tool.

      • B0rax@feddit.deEnglish
        132·
        9 months ago

        Maybe start regulating normal guns more first… 3D printed guns are not a problem anywhere in the world.

        • fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.comEnglish
          21·
          9 months ago

          Well, yes, but I was specifically going down the replacement part road because the intent of the legislation is to limit ghost guns (unregistered firearms), not guns overall. IMO it’s just a play to say “we are cracking down on guns!” without actually doing it. And since it only hurts a niche audience, who cares, right?

      • milicent_bystandr@lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        9 months ago

        So the point isn’t 3d printers making guns, it’s 3d printers enabling people to escape registration of guns, especially for unregulated sale of guns.

    • frezik@midwest.socialEnglish
      8·
      9 months ago

      The lower receiver of an AR15 is legally considered the firearm. You can buy all other parts straight up, but you have to go through federal background checks on that one. Even with private sales, at least the first buyer would have to have gone through the process.

      On its own, it’s just a chunk of plastic or metal. It’s not pressure bearing and isn’t even all that mechanically stressed in typical use. Therefore, you can print that one part off, buy all other parts, bypass all checks, and have a completely unregistered AR15. It’s not especially difficult to do, though it does involve a few specialized tools.

      In the UK, regulation tends to be around pressure bearing parts, and this is a lot more sensible.

    • mods_are_assholes@lemmy.worldEnglish
      59·
      9 months ago

      y. I am not sure why so many people think this is a concern.

      Movies, they fear a gun that can’t be detected in a metal detector.

      And you can still get one shot out of a plastic gun, and accuracy doesn’t matter if you are close.

      After Jan6 NO ONE in office is free from the fear of being a target of violence, not even the politicians that instigated it.

      Fear beats every other emotion. Nearly always

      Edit: Ok so I guess lemmy is just as bad as reddit for not wanting to hear the truth.

      At least have the balls to say why you disagree.

      • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.worldEnglish
        161·
        9 months ago

        To drive the point home a little further. No one, at least in this context, is making an all plastic gun with a 3D printer. It simply doesn’t happen. Even the memeworthy and incredibly janky Harlot 22LR uses steel barrel liners. It is also difficult (read: impossible) to have strong enough springs to fire a primer without using steel. Plus cartridges and bullets themselves are famously made out of… metals.

        The notion of a 3D printed plastic gun sailing through a metal detector are pure fantasy. Completely fictional. Bogus, bunk, absolute bullshit.

        But legislators believe it, because politicians are not actually experts in anything except playing politics. Which in general does not equip you with knowledge or experience from the real world.