Offer to work for your uncle for a few years to get your foot in the door. It’s nobodies fault but your own if your don’t have an uncle in the field.
“Work for free” has been the pitch to college grads and vocational track kids since time immemorial.
You’re just told, over and over again, to accept the work without the income from day one.
Turning over the economy and it’s “Oops! All MLMs!”
Ten years ago when I first graduated game development with honours, there wasn’t any local jobs in my field or studios that would bring me over, so while working minimum wage full time for a few years I released a video game solo and several smaller projects that all made no money, and then I finally got hired… at a shit starter job with a 1.5 hour commute time by bus. Meanwhile I had friends with wealthy parents and connections who got hired immediately.
I released more projects, and was applying to other jobs during my lunch hours, and a year later I got a software job that doubled my salary and now I am doing well. I paid off all my loans and then bought a townhouse last year at 30. I don’t find recruiters now, they find me.
I do not like the idea of other people having to go through what I did. My early 20’s were a hellish grindfest that no one should have to do. Genz has it even worse and I have seen it in the workplace.
I don’t know what to tell you, other than you’re not alone. Most people have a huge reality check in their 20s and adulthood hits hard… because we’re not taxing the billionaires.
Reddit in a nutshell.
You can’t post without enough karma but how the fuck do you get karma if they don’t even let you post?
This is why Lemmy is better.
No work experience? Obviously u just don’t want to work
just lie on your resume bro
It’s too thin. May I get a blanket at least?
Dude just make up a bunch of companies and your friends are the owners/managers. I did that shit a lot when I was younger and when I had no "experience " for certain jobs. I also had a few that were businesses I started. But instead of saying that (employer’s really hate you once owning your own business) I would just put it on my resume like I was employee for said company. And the reason I left “company retired”
Resumes are bullshit ans easy to fake. What matters is your referrals. The main problem today is getting past fucking the AI filters.
i wouldnt even put why i left the company, unless t he interview presses the question, just gave them a bs a response. depends on the type of referrals, if its just all email contact and response thats easy to fake, if its they must verify you with said person, it might be harder if you dont anyone to vouch for you.
wish i did that when i was sitll searching biotech job im too far removed from the industry now, catch 22. probably couldve labeled lab/experiments in a course as lab experience omitting the course part.
Apparently you’re supposed to get that experience as an unpaid intern before graduation. Some fucking bullshit, really.
In all seriousness, getting an internship is key for a lot of industries now. And if you can’t be a paid internship, you should at least see if you can get college credit.
I was lucky enough to figure out how to get both credit and a shitty paycheck. Which was the ideal internship.
Absolutely. If you’re in college, an internship is ideal.
And yet, the number of times I had to talk a manager off a ledge about an internship candidate without relevant experience…
This after they’d been through 2-3 rounds of coding challenges and a “culture fit” check.
So put something on your resume. Maybe you were a “support tech in a Linux server environment” for 3 years because you helped your grandparent with a router a few times. We weren’t calling references. And your coworkers will know and expect you are green.
So managers are just insanely detached from reality?
I think it’s easy for them to fall into a trap where they artificially inflate the requirements just because there is interest in the position.
So in a sense, yes, they’ve lost touch.
They also forget that every year, the “best” interviewees use them as a practice round and leverage for a more prestigious company. Inevitably, they chase unicorns at the expense of everything else. Every year, 3 colleges, hundreds of hours of interview rounds for 10-15 positions and they’d end up with 3-5 that actually started the paid internship.
I am a chemical engineer, and they basically don’t want to hire anyone without 2-3 years of post graduate experience and even then the majority of jobs seem to want more than 5 years of post graduate experience. Every year I watch the amount of entry level jobs drop more and more as companies just don’t want to train people anymore
Not me, but a comment I remember reading a few years ago.
This person had been working on some new coding software that was created at the tech giant this person was working for. They get laid off with tech cutbacks and start looking for a new job. The new job required 5 years experience with the software… Software was created 2 years ago.
It was either that or the guy who literally invented a programming language was told he did not have enough experience with it…
Swift? Edit: nvm.
Reminder: 80% of jobs never reach job boards. Most businesses hire people via their social networks.
Rip all careers caught on the wrong side of the algorithm
Joke’s on you, the positions are resume farms and your field isn’t hiring.
Just apply anyway if it otherwise seems like a good fit. The requirements listed, except those required by law, are a wish list and not a minimum for consideration.
I really wish more people understood this. Assuming you manage to get past the automated screening (which, to be fair, can be hard if you’re missing something obvious from their list), what matters is whether you appear competant and a good fit. Of course, if two candidates are similar, but one has more experience, they’re more likely to get the job, but it’s not a hard cut off.
I really wish more people understood this.
Silly people taking ‘requirement’ literally. I’ll bet they think the listed work hours and pay are literal too!
Yes, I agree it’s ridiculous, but it’s the way it is. Remember that the company is basically shopping for a new employee though. I you’re looking to buy a new T.V., for instance, you probably start out with a list of things you really want it to have. Then you start looking for T.V.s and find that while that one has all the inputs you hoped for, it’s twice the price of that one, which is just missing one, that you can probably get by without. Companies have to make a value judgement on every candidate, weighing thingsvlike length of experience against breadth of knowledge or how they’ll fit in.
It would be better if the hours and pay were as stated, but they’re part of the negotiation too. The harder the job is to fill, the stronger the candidate’s position is in those negotiations, and visa versa.
The thing is, they often have preferred skills and experience listed in addition to the so called requirements. Both being used as preferred is very confusing to anyone who doesn’t know that job listings are an absolute crap fest of misleading information and the common ways to interpret what ‘they really mean’.
Absolutely. Its absurd that the system works like this, but it does. Candidates understanding this evens the field somewhat, or, at least, expands the opportunities.
You fake it until you make it. I’m shit with Excell but that’s not what it says on my resume.
alot of them are hired through connections anyways, its only if they really cant find someone they go for listings.
That’s also true in a lot of fieds, yes. Networking is important.
Unless they’re using AI to filter, then it can be a hard requirement.
You taylor the resume to the position you want, and just put all the keywords in your resume as the shit they are looking for. That gets you pass the AI. Then a real human can then look at your resume and will give you a call. How I finally got through it.
Reminds me of trying to break into Linux Sysadmin work. Every entry-level job required five years of experience.
How’d you get in?
I built a homelab and taught myself a lot from forums and books and tutorials. I had an in-person interview lined up after I passed a phone interview, but another company offered me a job and financially I couldn’t take the risk. If I didn’t take it and the Linux gig didn’t pan out, I’d be in dire straits.
I’m still not a Linux Sysadmin, but I continue to use it for personal server stuff (the company that hired me was primarily a Windows shop). That was seven years ago and now I work at a state agency (would recommend; I might retire there).
I might try for the Linux team at my current org at some point in the future, but I really like my boss and job duties where I am now.
Title’s been outdated for a while now. It’s 5+ years
I remember my wife looking for a web dev position in early 2015 and at one place they were adamant that 5 years of HTML5 in experience was mandatory.
Wikipedia says:
On 28 October 2014, HTML5 was released as a W3C Recommendation,[32] bringing the specification process to completion.
Edit: I know the spec was a work in progress since 2008 but it’s still kind of a ridiculous requirement. To put it in to perspective, my wife’s class was the first year that they trained on Html5 instead of 4.
sounds like the listing was designed to discourage people from applying, companies do this all the time.
She could just have held 5 relevant part time jobs at the same time for a year. Boom, 5 years experience in a years time. Resume math
Wikipedia also says:
HTML5 was first released in a public-facing form on 22 January 2008,[2] with a major update and “W3C Recommendation” status in October 2014.
5 years of HTML5 in 2015 was possible. It wasn’t final, but the browsers started implementing it.
Unpaid. The secret is they want you to do unpaid work. It’s bullshit.
Or have rich parents that can cover the unpaid part, and so the whole job market turns more of an elitist afair.
This is exactly how it is. You set up your entry level filters for your desired fields in linked, and get the notifications! (EXCITEMENT)
Turns out theyre entry level jobs requiring at least 2 years experience in the field…
