Ok, seriously, just use Linux. I know how it sounds, but I’d say a majority of people use a computer to use a web browser. Guess what? We browsers have always worked and been native with Linux.
Problem is, it’s not a passion for most people and they just want to buy something and get on the internet. While they exist, you can’t exactly go to Best buy and buy a new computer running Linux.
But really, if you have hardware that works well with it, it’s a dream.
Funny thing is, on my laptop there’s an issue with Linux and browsers. Any video or animation, even little animations, runs at like 3fps. This makes using a browser virtually impossible.
Everything else works well, but that just doesn’t make Linux an option for me right now. I tried a variety of browsers and distros. It’s really frustrating. It’s not even a bad laptop, Lenovo Legion 5 pro RTX3060.
I said in my previous comment an RTX3060 and an iGPU. I tried with the iGPU, without the iGPU, switching them, hybrid mode. Nvidia drivers, nouveau drivers, it’s always the same.
Been there, done that. I also went to the Lenovo Legion Linux discord server. All great people, but their advanced solutions didn’t work either. Even people with exactly the same model didn’t have this issue. I have no idea what it could be, maybe something hardware related.
I’ve already tried Linux with an Nvidia GPU. The driver is bare bones. You don’t get the Nvidia App or even the Nvidia Control Panel. That means no 3D Settings page, no RTX HDR, no Shadowplay, no game filters, no video upscaling in Firefox… All features that I paid money to have and use daily.
Point I’m making is that I didn’t spend a bunch of money on a 4090, onlyto not be able to fully utilize every feature it has to offer.
Those seem like niche things to hold on to. A 5090 should work just fine under Linux, what feature do you use that isn’t supported? Also a 9070 XT is capable of doing ray tracing. You don’t always have to have the absolute most powerful card.
I don’t have an HDR monitor so can’t say how well it works in Linux, but you can survive without HDR. Is a better lighting contrast that big of a deal?
With an Nvidia GPU on Linux, you don’t get the Nvidia App or even the Nvidia Control Panel. That means no 3D Settings page, no RTX HDR, no Shadowplay, no game filters, no video upscaling in Firefox… All features that I paid money to have and use daily. None of it exists in Linux beyond wonky half-solutions.
The AMD adrenaline software for adjusting settings and power profiles for AMD GPUs also does not work on Linux btw so it’s not like it’s only Nvidia that’s the problem.
A friend of mine just installed CachyOS Desktop Edition (plasma) and I brought up the HDR calibration in windows, thinking that was something linux still didn’t have. Turns out at least some DEs (i think thats a DE thing?) do have decent HDR support now. I still want RTX features tho.
This is objectively untrue. I’ve seen it for myself.
You get a bare bones driver and nothing else. That means no 3D Settings page, no RTX HDR, no Shadowplay, no game filters, no video upscaling in Firefox… All features that I paid money to have and use daily.
I didn’t spend a bunch of money on a 4090, only to not be able to fully utilize every feature it has to offer.
No, I don’t want Linux or any other OS. I perfectly know my way around with Windows and so many of my regular tasks depend on tools made for Windows. I have used Linux desktop in the past and have many friends and co-workers who use it as their main OS, but it’s just not for me.
Besides of course this recall stuff gets blown way out of proportion like every time Microsoft makes a bad move. All of my computers don’t even support recall and when they eventually do, I’ll just disable it in one of like four possible different ways.
I don’t think so. I don’t think it is blown out of proportion, I actually think it is that bad, and I also think that if you think you can just disable it and be done with it, you don’t have any experience with microsoft products and services. they regularly reset privacy settings, both on windows, and yesterday I found that even in their android apps like the swiftkey keyboard.
another example of this tendency, is that a few days ago I was helping a friend with computer problems who stuck on windows 7, and I have seen that microsoft yas gone out of its way to push an update or something that installed their edge browser, pinned it to the taskbar and automatically opened it on boot.
I’ve never had that issue on Professional editions of Windows 10 or 11. Home edition? Maybe. But Pro lets you override almost anything you want with group policies.
I also rely on group policies. they do get reverted. o&o shutup10 has a feature to detect it and point that out, and I see it almost every time I open it. I use it rarely per machine, but I use it on multiple machines and each does this.
then sometimes the setting is just ignored. I was baffled when the policy to disable the start menu automatic bing search -which basically uploads all your local searches to microsoft bing - did not work, even after 2 reboots. I think it was this year, perhaps the last one
I will say that I would absolutely be championing linux if not for relying way too much on RTX features For example, their inverse tone mapping (SDR-to-HDR) is far far superior to the Windows AutoHDR solution as long as you’re willing to spend a bit of time tuning it for your display. That said, if anyone wants to do an equivalent trade for a freshly re-pasted 3080 10GB I might consider going AMD lol.
Damn, that sucks. It’s been forever since I set that one so I checked and it looks like I’m using the registry edit method for that particular one. My start menu has looked like this for as long as I can remember so I’m not sure what’s keeping it from changing with updates. searching for anything not on my local system results in ‘no results found’
edit I am using OOSU10 but unless it has some auto-reset feature then it isn’t what’s keeping my changes in place through upgrades. I’m even on the beta channel for windows.
yeah and that policy has been working on every other machine! I even checked the registry value, and it was there in the correct location, and correct type!
I’m currently sticking to Windows 10 on my private machines but already on 11 on my work computer and it’s fine with an alternative start menu. I’m also looking forward to the better HDR features on 11.
Fair enough, I use 10 and 11 at work and hate it … I used to like 7, using the control panel, search, default paths and stuff seemed a lot more intuitive.
That’s why I stick with Linux at home, it feels a lot more like Windows used to, lol
Yeah the control panel revisions took some getting used to, but now I think it’s not so bad. I know where to find everything but I can see how it’s frustrating for others. What’s most important to me is that I have local admin rights on my work PC and can customize it to my liking. Many companies lock their devices down heavily, and I don’t want to deal with that.
Indeed, I don’t have admin rights for anything outside of IP address changes at work.
I just thought of another bug bear, start menu lag on mouse clicks is a very odd problem, I don’t remember anything like that, even on the first release of Windows 95 which I ran on a laptop with 25MHz and 8 Mb of ram.
Ok, seriously, just use Linux. I know how it sounds, but I’d say a majority of people use a computer to use a web browser. Guess what? We browsers have always worked and been native with Linux.
Problem is, it’s not a passion for most people and they just want to buy something and get on the internet. While they exist, you can’t exactly go to Best buy and buy a new computer running Linux.
But really, if you have hardware that works well with it, it’s a dream.
We???
Funny thing is, on my laptop there’s an issue with Linux and browsers. Any video or animation, even little animations, runs at like 3fps. This makes using a browser virtually impossible.
Everything else works well, but that just doesn’t make Linux an option for me right now. I tried a variety of browsers and distros. It’s really frustrating. It’s not even a bad laptop, Lenovo Legion 5 pro RTX3060.
What GPU does your laptop have?
I said in my previous comment an RTX3060 and an iGPU. I tried with the iGPU, without the iGPU, switching them, hybrid mode. Nvidia drivers, nouveau drivers, it’s always the same.
I wrote a post on it some time ago: https://feddit.nl/post/34127250
Sorry, I had just woken up so I missed it 😓. I would suggest asking this in your distro’s forum if you still have Linux installed on that laptop.
Been there, done that. I also went to the Lenovo Legion Linux discord server. All great people, but their advanced solutions didn’t work either. Even people with exactly the same model didn’t have this issue. I have no idea what it could be, maybe something hardware related.
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I will when either Nvidia supports it fully, or AMD releases a GPU that can keep up in the ray tracing department.
Also, HDR support in Linux needs to get a lot better. Like an order of magnitude better. Then and only then will I switch.
I’m run Nvidia since before I started using Linux. Sometimes waking from sleep doesn’t work, other than that I have zero issues. Ymmv of course.
I’ve already tried Linux with an Nvidia GPU. The driver is bare bones. You don’t get the Nvidia App or even the Nvidia Control Panel. That means no 3D Settings page, no RTX HDR, no Shadowplay, no game filters, no video upscaling in Firefox… All features that I paid money to have and use daily.
Point I’m making is that I didn’t spend a bunch of money on a 4090, onlyto not be able to fully utilize every feature it has to offer.
Those seem like niche things to hold on to. A 5090 should work just fine under Linux, what feature do you use that isn’t supported? Also a 9070 XT is capable of doing ray tracing. You don’t always have to have the absolute most powerful card.
I don’t have an HDR monitor so can’t say how well it works in Linux, but you can survive without HDR. Is a better lighting contrast that big of a deal?
With an Nvidia GPU on Linux, you don’t get the Nvidia App or even the Nvidia Control Panel. That means no 3D Settings page, no RTX HDR, no Shadowplay, no game filters, no video upscaling in Firefox… All features that I paid money to have and use daily. None of it exists in Linux beyond wonky half-solutions.
Maybe bring that up at Nvidia. The Linux Community is not obligated to deliver you your needed functions for free :)
Other solution: don’t pay for it. Don’t buy Nvidia because they don’t support Linux.
The AMD adrenaline software for adjusting settings and power profiles for AMD GPUs also does not work on Linux btw so it’s not like it’s only Nvidia that’s the problem.
A friend of mine just installed CachyOS Desktop Edition (plasma) and I brought up the HDR calibration in windows, thinking that was something linux still didn’t have. Turns out at least some DEs (i think thats a DE thing?) do have decent HDR support now. I still want RTX features tho.
nvidia supports it
This is objectively untrue. I’ve seen it for myself.
You get a bare bones driver and nothing else. That means no 3D Settings page, no RTX HDR, no Shadowplay, no game filters, no video upscaling in Firefox… All features that I paid money to have and use daily.
I didn’t spend a bunch of money on a 4090, only to not be able to fully utilize every feature it has to offer.
No, I don’t want Linux or any other OS. I perfectly know my way around with Windows and so many of my regular tasks depend on tools made for Windows. I have used Linux desktop in the past and have many friends and co-workers who use it as their main OS, but it’s just not for me.
Besides of course this recall stuff gets blown way out of proportion like every time Microsoft makes a bad move. All of my computers don’t even support recall and when they eventually do, I’ll just disable it in one of like four possible different ways.
It’s not JUST about recall, but whatever.
I just wanted to note that the 2nd paragraph made me downvote, the first one iust made me roll my eyes
Second paragraph isn’t wrong though.
I don’t think so. I don’t think it is blown out of proportion, I actually think it is that bad, and I also think that if you think you can just disable it and be done with it, you don’t have any experience with microsoft products and services. they regularly reset privacy settings, both on windows, and yesterday I found that even in their android apps like the swiftkey keyboard.
another example of this tendency, is that a few days ago I was helping a friend with computer problems who stuck on windows 7, and I have seen that microsoft yas gone out of its way to push an update or something that installed their edge browser, pinned it to the taskbar and automatically opened it on boot.
I’ve never had that issue on Professional editions of Windows 10 or 11. Home edition? Maybe. But Pro lets you override almost anything you want with group policies.
I also rely on group policies. they do get reverted. o&o shutup10 has a feature to detect it and point that out, and I see it almost every time I open it. I use it rarely per machine, but I use it on multiple machines and each does this.
then sometimes the setting is just ignored. I was baffled when the policy to disable the start menu automatic bing search -which basically uploads all your local searches to microsoft bing - did not work, even after 2 reboots. I think it was this year, perhaps the last one
I will say that I would absolutely be championing linux if not for relying way too much on RTX features For example, their inverse tone mapping (SDR-to-HDR) is far far superior to the Windows AutoHDR solution as long as you’re willing to spend a bit of time tuning it for your display. That said, if anyone wants to do an equivalent trade for a freshly re-pasted 3080 10GB I might consider going AMD lol.
Damn, that sucks. It’s been forever since I set that one so I checked and it looks like I’m using the registry edit method for that particular one. My start menu has looked like this for as long as I can remember so I’m not sure what’s keeping it from changing with updates. searching for anything not on my local system results in ‘no results found’
edit I am using OOSU10 but unless it has some auto-reset feature then it isn’t what’s keeping my changes in place through upgrades. I’m even on the beta channel for windows.
yeah and that policy has been working on every other machine! I even checked the registry value, and it was there in the correct location, and correct type!
Ok but the OP is taking about people who just use their computer for browsing the internet, so how is this relevant?
What’s been your favourite version of Windows?
I’m currently sticking to Windows 10 on my private machines but already on 11 on my work computer and it’s fine with an alternative start menu. I’m also looking forward to the better HDR features on 11.
Fair enough, I use 10 and 11 at work and hate it … I used to like 7, using the control panel, search, default paths and stuff seemed a lot more intuitive.
That’s why I stick with Linux at home, it feels a lot more like Windows used to, lol
Yeah the control panel revisions took some getting used to, but now I think it’s not so bad. I know where to find everything but I can see how it’s frustrating for others. What’s most important to me is that I have local admin rights on my work PC and can customize it to my liking. Many companies lock their devices down heavily, and I don’t want to deal with that.
Indeed, I don’t have admin rights for anything outside of IP address changes at work.
I just thought of another bug bear, start menu lag on mouse clicks is a very odd problem, I don’t remember anything like that, even on the first release of Windows 95 which I ran on a laptop with 25MHz and 8 Mb of ram.
I’ve heard about that but haven’t noticed it myself. It does sound annoying.
Yup, and it’s on what was a mid-line laptop from 3 years ago. Only just started recently.
At home I use a thinkpad that I got 2nd hand 10 years back, and it feels like warp speed by comparison.