Pretty sure science does have evidence that there is heavy influence from how someone grows? Obviously how someone is raised can change their attitude towards identities, even as far as making ignorant people closet and resent themselves without even truly knowing why.
So… it’s pretty obvious that it’s both. It’s just an open question as to how much each affect, and I’d bet it’s wholly subjective anyways.
Yeah, it just bothers me when people reject “you are not born LGBT” as though it’s somehow a bigoted opinion. I guess they hear “not born” and mentally substitute “it’s a choice.”
I mean… that is the implication. What I said was, “it is clearly both.” They ARE born different, and their life has allowed them to figure out how they are different and hopefully explore it in healthy ways for those that openly identify.
Any direct, unqualified statement of, “you are not born different” is directly and completely wrong.
No. I’m not aware of any evidence that one is born with the propensity to be LGBT. It’s well-known that it’s not a choice, but that is not the same as saying that you’re genetically predetermined to be LGBT. Twin studies disprove that.
My understanding is that the current prevailing belief among psychologists is that sexual orientation develops during adolescence, and is either random or influenced in some way by one’s sexual exposure, but not necessarily in any obviously deterministic way.
Any direct, unqualified statement of, “you are born different” is directly and completely wrong.
No, you’re just being an ignorant fool with that one. There would be no people so closeted that they hate themselves and don’t know why if there were no genetic inclinations.
I think you’re just being an ignorant fool. People are closeted and hate themselves because there is no choice to not be LGBT. Do you disagree with this? Do you think it’s a choice? Newsflash: it’s not.
Something can be both not a choice and not genetic.
I think most people who would agree with the phrase “you are not born LGBT” if you asked them to rank “agree”/“disagree” on a survey, and are not the kind of people who actively go around with an anti-LGBT agenda. Those with an anti-LGBT agenda obviously are the people who we hear saying this.
Pretty sure science does have evidence that there is heavy influence from how someone grows? Obviously how someone is raised can change their attitude towards identities, even as far as making ignorant people closet and resent themselves without even truly knowing why.
So… it’s pretty obvious that it’s both. It’s just an open question as to how much each affect, and I’d bet it’s wholly subjective anyways.
Yeah, it just bothers me when people reject “you are not born LGBT” as though it’s somehow a bigoted opinion. I guess they hear “not born” and mentally substitute “it’s a choice.”
I mean… that is the implication. What I said was, “it is clearly both.” They ARE born different, and their life has allowed them to figure out how they are different and hopefully explore it in healthy ways for those that openly identify.
Any direct, unqualified statement of, “you are not born different” is directly and completely wrong.
No. I’m not aware of any evidence that one is born with the propensity to be LGBT. It’s well-known that it’s not a choice, but that is not the same as saying that you’re genetically predetermined to be LGBT. Twin studies disprove that.
My understanding is that the current prevailing belief among psychologists is that sexual orientation develops during adolescence, and is either random or influenced in some way by one’s sexual exposure, but not necessarily in any obviously deterministic way.
Any direct, unqualified statement of, “you are born different” is directly and completely wrong.
No, you’re just being an ignorant fool with that one. There would be no people so closeted that they hate themselves and don’t know why if there were no genetic inclinations.
I think you’re just being an ignorant fool. People are closeted and hate themselves because there is no choice to not be LGBT. Do you disagree with this? Do you think it’s a choice? Newsflash: it’s not.
Something can be both not a choice and not genetic.
No choice not to be lgbtq? Well thanks for making it obvious you’re just a brianwashed bigoted moron! This conversation will not be continuing, bigot.
you… you think you can choose not to be LGBTQ? I can only assume at this point you are trolling me.
That is how most people who say that mean it.
I think most people who would agree with the phrase “you are not born LGBT” if you asked them to rank “agree”/“disagree” on a survey, and are not the kind of people who actively go around with an anti-LGBT agenda. Those with an anti-LGBT agenda obviously are the people who we hear saying this.