• PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca
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    9 months ago

    It’s hard to avoid a “no true scottsman” with the current state of bots and propaganda accounts.

    But as far as I can tell, there are hardly any lefties, or even tankies, who unironically support Russia or even a middle ground position. Despite their hate of the west, Russia is clearly the greatest evil here.

    Most of the middle ground positions I see come from fox news.

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        9 months ago

        Maybe. But previously when I engaged with people making this same claim, when they provided their evidence (a link to a hexbear post) and I actually spent the effort to verify it, it was trivially clear that their evidence was wrong, and when I showed that to them, they blew up and blocked me from the entire community (they were a mod).

        Since then I’ve been pretty skeptical of people making this claim.

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      9 months ago

      Try engaging with the tankie communities more, though I suspect your instance has them defederated if you get an impression this distorted.

    • uis@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      I see you misspelled Putin twice.

      But as far as I can tell, there are hardly any lefties, or even tankies, who unironically support Putin or even a middle ground position. Despite their hate of the west, Putin is clearly the greatest evil here.

      Here you go

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      9 months ago

      But as far as I can tell, there are hardly any lefties, or even tankies, who unironically support Russia or even a middle ground position. Despite their hate of the west, Russia is clearly the greatest evil here.

      Unfortunately, I can attest to a great many tankies who unironically support Russia or a ‘middle ground’ position. I could post examples all day long and not run out. At least, not run out of examples. I’d run out of will to live pretty quickly.

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      9 months ago

      I think any argument for peace and negotiations and compromise with Russia is met with overwhelming downvotes. Worse on reddit, pacifism is seen only in controversial now. The above meme is clearly pro-war propaganda too, as to prevent any rational discussion. It’s total victory or death.

      If you’re a pacifist, you’re treated as a communist-nazi.

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        9 months ago

        If you’re a pacifist, you’re treated as a communist-nazi.

        If you’re advocating that Ukraine should lay down its arms before clear security guarantees are in place, or at the loss of its territory you may as well be a “communist-nazi”.

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          9 months ago

          This was Russias final offer - which I’m not advocating for but it does contain some perfectly reasonable demands to protect themselves from US aggression. Of course Russia wants to keep using Sevastopol and doesn’t want offensive weapons on their boarders.

          Putin highlighted the fact that it was “NATO that was undertaking dangerous attempts to develop Ukrainian territory and increase its potential along [Russia’s] borders”. He demanded “reliable, legal guarantees” that would preclude NATO from expanding its territory toward Russia or deploying its strike weapon systems in countries bordering Russia.

          Of course, if you’re denying that the US is a terrorist regime that has killed millions of innocent civilians and ruined many countries in the last decades then you may well be a fascist.

          I’m certainly not denying that Russia is an authoritarian far-right regime that suppressed Ukraine and that Ukraine absolutely has a right to be free. But if you’re bordering on Russia, you’ll have to make accommodations and be smart. Total war is not smart.