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1·26 days agoThe point is there was no global outcry. You hadn’t heard about it had you?
It is only when Israel responds to an entire year of daily missile attacks by Hezbollah that attention is paid.
UNIFIL was warned by Israel to get out of the way before they entered to stop the attacks by Hezbollah which UNIFIL couldn’t/wouldn’t.
3·27 days agoThe price of living has gone up in all developed economies it seems since the pandemic. Price gouging by corporations despite record profits.
I don’t understand how it is synchronized globally. Seems unlikely they agree at Davos under a full moon and then laugh maniacally but I am at a loss for a plausible explanation.
Israel warned UNIFIL well in advance to get out of the way. Why are they still there?
Until now…
it has failed to investigate a single one of the more than 3,000 Hezbollah arms depots and other military sites targeted by Israel since October—including bombed-out bases run by Hezbollah’s supposed environmental group “Green Without Borders.”
Bear in mind that Hezbollah’s been firing missiles into Israel daily since 8 October 2023. So much for UNIFIL “peacekeeping”.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/pros-and-cons-salvaging-or-ditching-unifil
nobody should be shooting at UN forces.
“Hezbollah members or their local supporters harassed UNIFIL patrols, threatened them with weapons, fired at them, stole their equipment”
Hezbollah have killed at least one…
“After Pvt. Sean Rooney, a UNIFIL peacekeeper from Ireland, was killed in December, surveillance camera footage reportedly showed armed men surrounding his patrol and declaring “We are Hezbollah.” A Lebanese military tribunal formally accused several Hezbollah members of the murder, and the group reportedly handed the primary suspect over to Lebanese authorities. “ https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/battle-unifils-independence-part-2-facts-ground
And yet the Democrats have not even tried to introduce ranked choice voting.
I give you a report
You linked to an article which I looked at. It in turn linked to a 128 page report which I did not read because it does not have a Gaza section - and Gazan conditions leading up to Oct 7 was what you were responding to. I didn’t have time today to read the whole thing just in case.
Gaza was not anything like an “open air prison” until 2007 when Egypt closed the Southern Border shortly after Hamas took over: that was not Israel’s fault. Water supply issues in Gaza are caused by Hamas who boasted in a 2021 propaganda video showing themselves digging up water pipes to turn them into missiles. From 2014 to 2020, U.N. agencies spent nearly $4.5 billion in Gaza which could have been used to build civilian infrastructure but Hamas preferred to spend it militarily on its stated goal of ethnic cleansing of Jews “from the river to the sea”.
The Amnesty article cites no examples of government mistreatment of Arabs in Israel.
the article cites no examples of mistreatment of Arabs in Israel?
The article. Not the report.
Israel performed “massive seizures of Palestinian land and property, unlawful killings, forcible transfer, drastic movement restrictions, and the denial of nationality and citizenship to Palestinians”
In Israel is was what you were meant to be responding to. There are plenty of Palestinians with citizenship in Israel. I think the West Bank settlement expansion is unjust but that is not the topic here.
you are completely determined to wash over the sins of a government
Nope I was trying to stick to the topic of BBC going against their own government’s designation of Hamas as terrorists. You would rather talk about wider issues, so…
Both sides are “losing the war”: Back in December there was a great prescient article criticising Israel and a companion article criticising Hamas.
Very few ProPals seem to do balance whereas plenty of people who try to understand Israel’s difficulty (in avoiding being wiped out by Hamas) do criticise Israel.
Netanyahu’s Likud party only won 11% of the vote and it took 5 attempts at a working coalition for them to resume power in the last election. There were two arrest warrants against him for corruption and over 100,000 citizens protested against the government changing the law to allow them to override their equivalent of a constitution.
Your link is to Amnesty — one of the many “human rights” organizations unwittingly supporting terrorists who hijack and abuse our good-will and free speech in the West.
Read about Akhmed Chatayev. Arrested in Sweden with guns and explosives. Arrested in Ukraine with terrorist material. Arrested in Georgia for participating in a terrorist attack (Lopota incident). Arrested at the Bulgaria/Turkey border. Amnesty basically bailed him out. He’s the mastermind of the ISIS attack on the Istanbul airport (almost 50 dead). Luckily Georgian police eventually killed him in the end.
The Amnesty article cites no examples of government mistreatment of Arabs in Israel.
Arabs in Israel are equal in law to Jews (except for military conscription). Arab LBTQI+ find refuge in Israel. Arab women and schoolgirls in Gaza have to wear a hijab but not the Arabs in Israel (where they can even dance if they like).
the border checks since they have imported munitions in the past which they attacked Israel with.
this is an outright lie.
Just because some people use hyperbole like “world’s largest outdoor prison” doesn’t make what I said a lie. Blame Egypt for controlling the Rafah border not Israel. They have seen what happened to Jordan and Lebanon when they allowed Palestinians in.
I’m not sure proffering apologetics for war crimes is appropriate for Beehaw.
ICC has identified (but not prosecuted) war crimes by Likud’s Netanyahu and Hamas’ Sinwar.
you clearly label Hamas as a terrorist organization
I named countries which proscribe Hamas as a terrorist organization. You obviously don’t agree with these governments and it is fair enough to express it like that but not fair to try to bully me into agreeing with you.
a legitimate steward of the civilian population’s will.
Hamas has not allowed elections in Gaza since they won power in 2007.
without addressing the actual reasons and events that led up to it
Then it would need to include Palestinians starting war against Israel then losing a disproportionate number of citizens then always repeating the failed attacks expecting a different result? There is a word for that.
Most of the Jewish population of Israel are those fleeing persecution from Muslim nations (not from Europe as is commonly believed).
The only persecution of Gazans in the few years leading up to Oct 7 was the border checks since they have imported munitions in the past which they attacked Israel with.
How far back in history do you want to go in a 90 minute documentary about the Nova massacre? It doesn’t actually matter now regardless of what each side says: Jews ain’t going anywhere and neither are the Arabs. A two-state solution is the only option.
There’s the actual reason if anyone is interested.
That merely repeats the headline, it isn’t a reason.
It is naive to think that facts alone can win in a battle of ideas. Why do you think Coca Cola still advertises heavily?
Look at how AJ lie in an example unrelated to this conflict: This video was at the time of a G9 summit where the journalist deliberately made a protestor look like a crazy suicidal maniac who had to be taken away by police for his own good.
They mistakenly showed the evidence in the video that he wasn’t crazy. Read the video description.
As though that…justifies something?!
You started the bad faith argument. I was merely hoping you would self-reflect, and check yourself. Instead, you projected.
- Meanwhile, the right wing media sweeps it aside with inhumane, Onion-level headlines like “UN revises Gaza death toll, almost 50% less women and children killed than previously reported”. As though that…justifies something?!
Are you saying that when Hamas are caught lying it shouldn’t be reported?
Were you also outraged when Hamas said 500 Palestians were killed by IDF bombing AlAhli hospital and all the media outlets reported this as fact but the responsible ones later apologized and reported that was a blatant Hamas lie?
Should we never correct stories when the facts come to light?
Similarly there were no children killed by Hamas during October 7 despite some crazy Israeli guy lying in his “eyewitness” report (later debunked). I’m sure you were happy to have that be corrected.
I am happy for all of the above to be corrected without having to frame it as justification for atrocities.
Israel claims it has killed 17,000 militants, without providing evidence. It does not provide an estimate of civilians killed in Gaza.
And Hamas doesn’t provide an estimate of militants killed.
Die? Hyperbolic much? Gazans weren’t being killed in the weeks leading up to Oct 7.
I suggest Gazans could have used the aid money they were receiving for decades to build infrastructure rather than ripping up water pipes to build missiles.
Well yes. Israel always retaliates disproportionately. Yet Hamas keep repeating their attacks expecting Allah will magically produce a different result. Commonly known as the very definition of stupidity.
Are you implying they caused more injuries on October 7 than Hamas?
Hezbollah launched 25 attacks from near UNIFIL posts over past month
https://www.jns.org/hezbollah-launched-25-attacks-from-near-unifil-posts-over-past-month/