I agree the terminology is misleading and should be changed. If you’ve ever driven in one no driver with it on can be confused, the system will yell at you to look at the road.

Waymo is ahead right now in geofenced areas for sure, I like Waymo, this post was just specifically about Tesla.

Whether FSD is possible with out LiDAR is still an open question, but I think the safety personnel in Austin will be removed soon which will answer that question.

I would love walkable cities. I frequently bike to work you’ll get no disagreement from me there.

So you admit I’m not a bot? A persistent chiefs fan is a real person.

I never claimed that Tesla invented that system just stated that cars with it (teslas others) are safer than the majority of ones without.

Your second sentence is impossible with the way the system works, perhaps pornos aren’t good sources for accurate information?

If there’s no replacement for solid trustworthy data in your mind I don’t think this is a worthwhile conversation if you will trust literally no source.

No disagreement that the safer option is not driving at all.

I don’t think a car driving itself where you tell it is giving up human self determination tho.

Not only can it, it is a required part of FSD. You can not operate it without it making sure your eyes are on the road. Every source looking at actual incidents per mile driven shows that FSD (and Waymo and the others) is already safer than human drivers. I’d be happy to be proven wrong on that.

There are incidents. It’s not perfect, but right now that’s why humans must still be actively paying attention.

Do you think a car that alerts you if you look away from the road and forces you to pay attention or you lose your ability to use the new features is less safe than a vehicle that is unaware if the driver is texting/sleeping or whatever?

What type of source would you trust on this? If you don’t trust NHTSA what is your basis for saying Tesla FSD is unsafe?

For the moment absolutely, that’s why the system requires your attention and will lock you out of using it fairly quickly if you are distracted. Tesla drivers on FSD are forced by their car to pay attention to the road. Surely people can see how that alone makes it safer than all of the cars that don’t know their driver is texting or whatever in a car that can’t drive itself at all.

Or try this link from the government of Austin Link

Fair enough. The NHTSA probe is for 2.9 million vehicles and 53 incidents. That is far below the level of incidents humans have over that span of vehicles for any appreciable level of drive time.

Care to respond to my argument with reason or evidence and not resort to ad-hominem?

Did you even look at my account/post history?

FSD as it is currently with human supervision is 10x safer than driving without FSD. Source Tesla 2025 Q2 report vs reports from NHTSA.

Edit: some time in and I’ve only gotten ad hominem responses and downvotes. Please make a convincing argument that I’m wrong or maybe realize you’re just downvoting facts you don’t like if you don’t bring your own.