Also if you’re telling me that the only thing stopping people from raping people, and committing senseless murders is money then that’s a pretty sad indictment on humankind.

Frankly could not care for your opinion unless you live here, or a country with similar rates of crime.

I really don’t understand why you’re trying so hard to frame this in a rich versus poor issue.

In South Africa you can go to the middle of gangland which is easy to find because crime is so rampant, and you’ll find security companies whose residents are their customers not some rich person whose decided to fund security for poor people.

I don’t think you understand how serious crime is here that everyone no matter the wealth class is being affected to such a degree that private security companies in both rich and poor areas are the only effective combat against the wave of terror.

Pretty much saying that poor people have an interest in hiring private security so there’s security companies in poorer areas too this is not a rich thing this is a crime is rampant issue. But I guess you live here so you understand the situation on the ground.

Thank god for the Isrealis then because god damn this country would be more fucked somehow.

I think you’re trying to frame this in a Western or American context - it really doesn’t apply here.

You’re thinking only the rich have security, you can drive to some of the poorest areas in SA and you’ll see local residents utilising private security.

It’s not that these institutions are not working - they are NON EXISTENT. Imagine if the police simply stopped working, not barely functioning, I mean literally completely non-functional.

And it’s not just the police force, it’s electricity, water, sanitation, education, healthcare, almost every sector is either borderline non-functioning or completely non-functioning.

Oh dude let me inform you about the state of crime in South Africa - we’ve had instances where police stations have been firebombed by criminals raiding the weapons store, any property not being guarded being stolen from lawn chairs to vehicles, the unusually high rate crime: 21000+ murders per year, 42000+ rapes per year and that’s officially reported stats from the SAPS.

I’ve seen people being kidnapped, I have even had family and friends who have been kidnapped, women raped and murdered in my locality, countless hijacking and aggravated robberies. I am part of the local CPF so I am on constant communication with police and security companies.

Often the police are completely reliant or heavily rely on security companies. These security companies are often the only people standing in the face of lawlessness. Not necessarily in the wealthiest areas either.

It’s not just economic crimes this is wanton rape, murder, and wholesale take overs of state infrastructure by organised crime outfits. This isn’t normal crime like you may encounter in other countries, we are frequently topping the list in the most violent categories of crime.

Right now theres an epidemic of gender based violence, that is men raping and murdering women or male partners/spouses just outright murdering their partners. Doubt this is linked to a war against poor people.

The lengths some people go to defend criminals is worrying. Dude proved he hasn’t reformed by leaping across the bench and attacking the judge sentencing him, after pleading his case talking about how he is reformed, and you’re still trying to defend him.

Perhaps consider the impact this clearly unreformed criminal will have on the impact of society and perhaps his other future victims.

That’s exactly what the state bungled up.

The state could have got a premeditated murder charge out of this which would have required him to be sentenced to life in prison. Some of the facts the state presented in the first trial should raise the question of premeditation.

The State proved its case of intention to kill, yes dolus directus vs dolus eventualis but couldn’t prove premeditation. Therefore minimum sentencing guideline of 15 years applied.

Premeditation doesn’t necessarily mean the murder has to be planned, but all planned murders are premeditated. You can read more about here:

https://www.derebus.org.za/murder-intention-premeditation-pre-planned-what-does-it-all-mean/

The prosecutor really bungled this case up.

I think America needs a dose of liberation and democracy their government always bangs on about.

Quite sad to see that this is happening over there. Is this a failure of capitalism or democracy? As those respective systems have not taken into account the invariable devolution into a violent unstable system.

How come?

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