Oh I agree. But you can not call the mess of a two party system in the states a democracy anymore.

Ah yes, you must vote for the one party every time in order to save democracy. Democracy is the thing where you only vote for them Dems right?

The chosen ruler, it has to be. The alternative would be a monster, a criminal, a dictator from day one.

It can be no other way then the chosen candidate, voting is just a formality of your “democracy”.

Well he talked about maybe looking into what it would mean to offer it. Just like I guess she did?

It was a dig at things like nyquill being homeopathy, since they both are treatments that don’t work being sold as if they do.

As is tradition

Wait… I have seen these before. Like 10 plus years ago it feels like.

That is included in most over the counter decongestants as the active ingredient.

Please tell me this is not the first you have heard of the switch to combat meth production to a worse then placibo replacement?

Second highest voter turnout in any US presidential election on record. Both by numbers and percentage of eligible voters.

Despite Kamala Harris’s progressive policies…

Wait, I am not trying to be (overly) mean here but what where they? I just remember her running on a status quo platform.

Ummm they did? That is what this banned, an advertised effective treatment that does nothing.

Well look at fancy pants over here with a Doctor.

(Really here in Canada I have been without a Dr for about 9 years now, it sucks)

Its a two party system, why would anyone think being a bit more like the other guy be a good idea?

Why would someone pick knockoff awful when the name brand is right there?

Its weird that the same group of people are ignoring women’s ability of independent thoughts and actions are the same ones saying (not unreasonably) the other side is dehumanizing women.

So far second highest recorded turn out and it will be weeks for the final number. Keep in mind spoiled ballots will get added at some point (to the turnout count not to actually count)

Its a shit situation all around in this case. People are angry, and not without reason. I do hope that we can learn from it and earn a better place in the world, but I am also a pessimist so I too will get angry and likely not be helpful.

My dood, it is a two party system. There was never really a choice (like you said a VERY easy one). You got to ether vote for the ruling party or a fascist. I don’t think anyone needed to be very informed. Local elections? oh research the hell out of those, at the national level? in the states? There was never really an option. Just at this point people picked the non option.

No US voter had the “ultimate” power to change anything, just two things to pick between. In this case they picked to tear it all down in a weird fascist way.

Glad you can see you can be an ass, just wanted to point out the guy you where arguing against is also a pissed off voter in the same place you are in right now. And you can blame the voters all you want but this is very much the democrats and republicans (the greens really did nothing) show. Working towards not having a fascist in power is a better use of your time (the all be it sloppy, point of the other guys comments) then getting mad at people like you.

It’s not just the folks who did this it’s the ones who are refusing to learn from it and in fact give in to the exact same problem that got us here.

Yes, this we agree on. To bad we think its different people who refuse to learn. After all you want people to do the same thing (swallowing pride and voting Dems) every 4 years over and over. It was not about being “grateful” it was and is about treating people like pre-villans and then getting mad when they don’t support your cause.

But hey, if you want to alienate people, go right on ahead and turn on your former allies. I am sure it will never come up that you might need 15 million or so of them.

I can swear all I want, but you will not catch me calling someone “TOXIC” for not agreeing with me.

I don’t see the words of an asshole, just a frustrated voter who taking the blame for something they voted to stop. If you read the quote you used you can see that they are calling out the problem they think cost the Dems the election, namely treating people like them with respect. They like anyone else expects to be treated with a bit of respect, and your response is to what? Prove them justified?

I’m in that exact same boat but I don’t give one single shit about not being thanked, nor for being blamed.

But you clearly do. I am not saying both sides are terrible (not sure why you are imagining the other half of a conversation), I am saying the US is in this mess partly due to this toxic bullshit about “Men are a problem, men should do better, and they should do it because they are good, not because they deserve it, or they want thanks.”

There is only so much you can expect any demographic to do counter to their own interests before they do what you see above, give up and say fuck it. You are now going to double down and place blame on (lets see if I remember this right) frustrated reluctant Harris voters?

DO YOU WANT TO BE GOVERNED BY A FASCIST? BECAUSE THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT. (did it)