https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/09/28/israel-hezbollah-war-gaza-hamas-latest-news/

Actual evidence.

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Yes. And here are all their names and biographies: https://www.gov.il/en/departments/news/swords-of-iron-civilian-casualties

So closing the straights of tiran was an act of peace? And totally legal.

Can you remind us who initiated the 6 day war please? Were the allies “illegally” occupying germany after ww2?

Were there no jewish people living in israel prior to 1948? Do the Jewish people have no historical claim to Israel?

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Wait. To counter my argument that there is no Palestine you provide a snapshot of the mandate recognizing the historical connection of the Jewish people to the land? Doesn’t that counter your arguments? Yes, the british called this peice of land Palestine. Do you know where the name originates from? The Jewish Bible where the Philistines are mentioned as large red headed folk probably originating from somewhere near Greece. So do the current Palestinians claim to be their decendants? Jewish people have always lived in the region of Israel which was under the occupation of numerous other empries. The arab folk living in Israel prior to 1948 can trace their heritages to a myriad of neighboring countries such as Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq and so forth (Some of their surnames are a clear indication of that).

Unfortunately, I know this for a fact (I’m from Israel, talked to people who were there). It’s not even the worst thing that was done. As Israel is torn between protecting the victims of the attacks and explaining them to the world, the proof you require will probably never be shown. I assume you are familiar with the “Hamas horror film”? Is what it shows not enough to go to an all out war against an enemy that has very clearly shown its only goal is your total destruction?

What would be a reasonable amount? What do you consider a reasonable response towards people who decapitate babies? Bake them in ovens in front of their parents? Rape women while mutilating their bodies? The list goes on. What’s a reasonable response for a country that has had this thing done upon it?

Israel is at war. A war it did not start and it will do everything it can to ensure rhis never happens again.

Another question for you, if Gaza is so dangerous for innocent civilians due to indiscriminate bombings, why isn’t Egypt taking in refugees? Why aren’t civilians allowed to take shelter in the kilometers of underground tunnels which were built using th billions (yes billions) of dollars the Gaza strip has received over the years?

Israel has lost over 500 soldiers to date. Why put soldiers at risk? You can be sure that if all Israel wanted was annihilation then there are way better ways (dumb bombs as you say) to just completely level Gaza. Israel is targeting military targets which reside within dense population. This sometimes results in unintended deaths thats war. Also, journalists in war zone tend to get killed. Especially ones which embed themselves within combatants. I would also argue the actual number of journalists killed is much smaller, as the definition of a “journalist” is very fluid these days. But that’s just my speculation at the moment, I don’t have facts to back that up.

That’s proof that there is a war on. No proof of any systematic killings. Based on Palestinian reports there are about 20000 dead, no information of course on how many of them combatants. So over the course of 3 months you have a less than 1 percent fatalities. I point you back to my meme and ask tou where’s the genocide. In the ww2 bombing of dresden 25000 people were killed in just 4 attacks. Israel is doing everything possible to kill only combatants. As I mentioned earlier it is impossible to avoid civilian deaths as they are being used as human shields. Military equipment is constantly being found in hospitals, mosques, schools and under childrens beds.

The Israel government on the other hand is adamant to kill every last Palestinian or ethnically cleanse them with forced displacement. - please show your proof. And please don’t give me quotes from several outliers which unfortunately have been brought recently into the Israeli government. They don’t represent the majority of Israel as apperantly the multitudes cheering in the streets while the October 7th hostiges were paraded through Gaza streets represent the people of Gaza.

Ok. I assume you don’t live in Gaza. Because then you’d be learning antisemitism in school: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/eu-study-confirms-incitement-in-palestinian-textbooks

And I assume you don’t go to mosque because then you’d be hearing about gharqad

And probably didn’t attend these protests: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/death-to-the-jews-chants-heard-at-berlin-pro-palestinian-rally/amp/

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rjdkan0mp

Sure, I find it amusing that Israel is being accused of commiting genocide against the Palestinians when they have an above world average population gain (+2.3% yearly change vs. 0.83%)

Really? Has Bibi publicly stated he plans on genocide? Because Hamas has publicly stated, many many times, that the only thing they care about is the total inhalation of all non-muslims.

Why the personal attacks? I’m happy to debate any counter points you may have.

Yes. The numbers of deaths is horrifying. I agree. Israel and Palestine are at war. A war the Palestinians instigated by murdering civilians. Israel on the other hand is targeting military targets which the Palestinians have put among the civilian population. So yes, there are many many civilians being killed. As the only other option Israel has seems to be “just let the Palestinians kill you”, I don’t really see a way to avoid it. On October 7th the Palestinians clearly stated that the only thing they want is the inhalation of all Jews. Israel is not trying to wipe out the Palestinians, it is trying to make sure they never succeed at any such act ever again.

Genocide - the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

Happened in europe by the Nazis as seen by the negative population gain. Does not happen in Israel as seen by the above world average population gain.

Oooh. That’s an easy one. Jewish population of europe 1935: 9.5 million Jewish population of europe 1945: 3.5 million There’s the genocide.

“there still exists Palestine and its people”. No. Before the state of Israel there was the british occupation. Before that the turkish ottoman empire. Before that there was an Egyptian rule and so on and so on. There were wars and the rule of this specific piece of land changed. At no point in history was there ever a Palstinian country. There is no Palestinian that can trace his lineage to some Palestinian hundreds of years ago. During all of history there were both jewish and arabs living in Israel. Calling the jewish people of Israel “colonists” is trying to change history and paint it as if jews came on ships to this country like conquistadors. After WW2, the UN decided that, maybe, after trying to exterminate the jewish people, it would make sense to give them some small pice of land to officially call their own. The arabs, instead of accepting the split launched a war in whclich they lost. And yes, many people were evicted from theor homes. Such is war. Then, they had multiple chances to accept peace offerings and build a country, instead they kept rejecting the offers and kept launching attacks at Israel. Culminating with the oct/7 attack which is where we find ourselves today. As i mentioned earlier, you and many around the world would like the Jews to just die. That won’t happen. What you should be doing is making memes about Hamas and how they keep enriching their leaders pockets and building terror infrastructure instead of helping the Palestinian people.