I think you may be talking about endangering traffic, not just walking while drunk.

That’s the point. They’re ridiculing the hypocrisy, not the sexism.

Wouldn’t know, don’t remember that ever happening.

Every group has its idiots, but I will admit it felt like a higher class of idiot.

Oh that’s unlocked some memories. Wow what a flashback.

We don’t need their word for it… they recorded everything they did.

My point is individual Germans. If an individual German said “oh we didn’t know about the camps”, you might believe them. Maybe. Perhaps a kid, at least? But if you liberated a camp in their city, probably not, since it was in their city.

It doesn’t matter what they knew. They knew something horrible was happening and wanted to ignore it, which is almost as bad as being directly part of it.

simply changing the variables that led young Hitler down the road.

Well doing that would also require for you to know what exactly led to that. It’s probably not as simple as you or Family Guy made it out to be. But yeah, so then essentially choosing to remain there to try and make Hitler a better person. Like at the least, preventing his service would mean that you’d either have to disable him in some way or convince him to become a deserter, since they weren’t enlisting but were conscripted. Or you’d have to know enough about art to make Hitler a better artist. And as far as paintings go, I don’t think I have the same level of skill he did.

Oh yeah 1932 Hitler you’d just shoot in the face. But even then, you wouldn’t be able to know for certain that that would only have good effects. Perhaps if we lived in 1950’s Europe, it would be quite a lot clearer and less risky, but due to the whole butterfly effect thing, (and this is getting more into the metaphysical than political) you wouldn’t even know if you’d exist in the world that would happen. Or perhaps it’s a oneway timemachine, and then that worry wouldn’t exist. It just really depends on which movie we use for the time-travel rules, really, lol.

If we dial it back from time machines and shooting Hitler in the face to just agreeing to punch fascists in the present?

he absolutely should have the book thrown at him

That I will get behind 100%. Absolutely. I think there’s quite a lot to be done within a legal framework to make him face some consequences at least, as long as it’s not a total kangaroo court. Which a lot of these seem to have been, what with the oligarchy and corruption and whatnot.

Also, the nazis didnt start out with genocide.

No, they didn’t. We could talk all night about how some Germans would have insisted at the end of the war that they didn’t know shit about the death-camps or any killings for that matter. Would I have believed any? I doubt it. Would I have been so certain of knowing that they weren’t actually lying to me, that I could have taken it upon myself to serve justice on them? I don’t think so, no.

It’s easy to say that in hindsight, if you had the chance to stop the genocide of tens of millions of people by killing one creepy little Austrian dude who never did any good in his life, you would. But say for the sake of the argument that you right now get a weird time-machine just appear in front of, ready to take you to Braunau am Inn on April 20th, 1889. It also has several gadgets for you to use, rendering you functionally invincible and extremely powerful (so you can do whatever you fucking like without anyone being able to stop you, but not like God levels of power.)

Would you murder that baby Hitler? It’s easy to say “yes” if you don’t think about it all, but then at least history would change massively. Probably for the better, but perhaps not. As cold as it is, war did bring many advancements as well. Would you even be born, or would a paradox wipe you out if you tried changing anything? Without getting too deep into metaphysics, my point here is that you wouldn’t have absolute certainty about what would happen. Perhaps the best thing for humanity would be for you to try and influence Hitler (and/or history in general) more than just straight up murdering a baby?

The point is that you wouldn’t have the certainty, so it would be much harder to actually decide what to do, despite us now and here knowing that Hitler was mega-fucking evil and we would want to have been able to prevent the genocides of the 20th century.

A few videos that I thought of while writing this: Killing Hans Sprechter

And this Baby Hitler | DEADPOOL 2 Extended Scene | Ryan Reynolds

But yeah, that’s just the absolutes. People don’t function in absolutes. I think you make a valid point about some people sort of giving up a bit too much when people should be actually riling up and looking for what can be done about the Trump presidency, legally. But yeah, definitely throw the book, not Molotov cocktails.

“Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.”

But we’re not sure he will “commit atrocities of unbelievable proportions”.

He’s a demented reality TV-star, but his rhetoric is undeniably fascist and autocratic and he has a very clear history of lying and being extremely self-serving to the point of endangering both American and non-American lives with his ignorance and stupidity.

When Trump became president, he pretty much immediately gave Russia a list of top-US spies, who then started dying. He’s clearly dangerous, but is he “let’s murder a (more or less) democractically elected president elect of the United States”-dangerous? Should we just go and murder him, for the sake of justice and democracy? No. That would be like curing a headache with a bullet. Yes it would definitely work, but… it’s a bit disproportionate.

I’m not saying nothing should be done. I’m saying that straight up murdering someone without due process is a bit over-the-top.

Of course he did those things. He also breathed, shat and ate. Is everyone who breathes, shits and eats a Hitler?

I can name dozens of non-Hitlers who’ve done all the things you’ve said.

Did Harris run with “Trump is an actual Hitler” or “Trump is a dangerous fascist”?

Because if it’s the former, then rationally your argument is a strawman and needs to be amended before more rational conversation can take place.

You’re doing a bit of a strawman.

“My opponent is a fascist” =/= “My opponent is Hitler”

Did Harris talk about Trump being a literal copy of Hitler who will genocide millions of people in death camps, or did she assert he’s a fascist and a very real threat to democracy?

Because your rhetoric really only works if you know for a fact that Trump is a literal Hitler. We all know him to be a literal autocrat though.

flagrantly violating the Constitution to keep him out of power is something that should be done

So break democracy to save democracy? Ends justify the means? Hindsight is 2020, so if someone tossed you in a timemachine and you found yourself in the 1920’s, you could have the confidence to actually kill Hitler without any qualms, because you’d know what would happen. But no-one has that. We can confidently say Trump is a demented child-rapist who will fuck shit up and make things worse for everyone except his oligarch friends (which very much includes Putin.) We don’t know how bad it’s gonna get, but it’s clearly a downhill the world is facing with a US president like that.

No, but bigoted, cisgendered, heterosexual white men are probably more likely to listen to other cisgendered heterosexual white men due to their bigotry.

Someone disagreeing within Chad Junior’s very narrow social circle will mean more to him than someone outside of the circle, especially if that person is also unlike Chad Junior in several ways. Unfortunate as it is.

Not saying not to do what you say but Jewish population in America is only 2% this is not enough to make a change

Israel has a population of ~9.75 million.

The US has a population of ~335 million people.

As of 2020, the American Jewish population is estimated at 7.5 million people, accounting for 2.4% of the total US population.

If All American Jews managed to convince just 1.3 Israeli’s, that’d be the entire population influenced.

But perhaps you’re saying 2% isn’t enough to affect change internally within the US? Probably not true either, 2% is 1/50 people. And as we all know from tinfoil wearing conspiracy nuts, Jews have disproportionate representation in politics. (I do not know or care whether that statement has any veracity; I’m saying it sarcastically.)

Yeah that’s why I said “looked like”.

I just wanted to be prepared.

You gonna start building these motherfuckers in your garage, lol? edit I mean, it would be interesting. But…

I mean, I was joking in the beginning of the thread, but then it looked like you had translated the thing personally when you answered to the person asking “can someone translate the stickers”.

But yeah, I am actually concerned that some people who support Ukraine will share some videos like this that there is no need to share, as it will only give Russia intel. While we might be curious about Ukraine, Russia definitely is, and we don’t really need to sate our curiosity with this if it helps Ukraine, imo.

So the city that installed those plastic barriers.

Which city was that again? An American one?

You’re an American, posting about Russian car culture and how people behave there?

Weird. Why’d you choose to move to Russia, as an American?

But see here the users are the product. And the users come from Europe. Which has certain regulations. Unless they abide, then they don’t get all that sweet product.

What they don’t understand is that European bureaucracy doesn’t play politics.

German bureaucracy intensifies

Dumb and dumber want to take on EU regulatory entities?

Nice try, Putler.