I’m responding to your other, much more coherent response.

I agree with a lot of what you just said there.

Just not your conclusion.

Does your vote not count in the national “popular vote” for some reason? With a race this … Whatever this is, don’t you think you’d want to give every possible advantage to the person that CAN defeat Trump? Especially somewhere that she is likely to win, aren’t you concerned many like-minded people will make the same mistake you are/did?

That’s kinda the playbook here. Each of you individually thinks “Harris will win this in my riding, so I’m allowed to be special and vote for a third party so I can feel good about myself!”

It’s literally why everyone is asking Jill to fuck off. She won’t leach any Trump supporters from him. But she will leach people like you from Harris.

It’s just selfish.

What do you mean when you say “my vote in no way endangers the country to Trump”?

So you would not vote?

And that lack of response will be another data point for anyone reading this in the future.

I’m waiting for jatone to chime in. Humans aren’t good at logic problems, especially real world ones where they don’t have to follow instructions. Ever try giving a logic puzzle to a 6 year old and they answer “well I wouldn’t do either of those things I’d buy an airplane and use a laser gun and then…”

That’s what this stuff is. While I understand the desperate need to reform the system, you don’t do that by throwing the game. I know how unlikely it is to change their minds (and they already voted) but others reading this who aren’t as bull-headed might take half a second to re-evaluate the actual outcomes available from the actions to be taken. That’s the hope anyways.

Who would have recieved your vote, if only Trump and Harris were on the ballot?

They are pronounced the same though?? I hope??

What series of life events led to such a cursed reality?

Since this is the first time in human history it’s every happened, we will have to wait to see what word or phrase becomes standard to use. Because if it had happened before, we’d have a definition for it.

And it would probably be super illegal beyond being immoral. Like international communities would all agree that anyone committing such acts would be evil and the good nations of the world would act immediately to defend the victims and stop any government or army from continuing.

At least if it ever happens again we will know better.

I’m really not following your argument. I don’t think I have to defend the statement “Men are a group”. So I won’t. But if you’d like to explain your point, please feel free.

Oh I see, still waking up.

Yeah it’s a weird and shitty side of our culture, like we are much more prone to punish women and defend young men, but only at the court stage. (I feel from personal experience, hence me wondering about the actual data.)

But it’s like it isn’t even about the victim since men and women both get treated like shit in reporting and getting any sort of justice, but it’s almost like “while since we are here let’s just have a look… Oh a woman is the bad guy? Perfect.” Or “oh a bunch of young boys?!? Isn’t that gay? Let’s nail him to the wall” Vs the usually rich asshole abusing woman where it’s like “I guess if there’s enough evidence and the woman doesn’t act too hysterical and we have some solid physical evidence, maybe we can do minimums… As a treat.”

I know it’s so much more complicated and frankly if men are getting justice good. I just want more equality within the system.

Sorry what? Are you arguing “Men” are not a group? That they can’t be categorized?

Am I sure about what? That men vastly outnumber women when it comes to commiting rape/sexual assault/abuse? Umm… Yeah?

Your example is part of my bigger question of “who actually gets punished vs who does the crime and how dependant is it on who is the victim.”

And comments like that are disgusting. Men can and are victimized sexually and our culture treats them like it’s their fault and they should have just defended themselves or maybe they actually liked it. Very similar to how many women victims are treated, and it’s wrong.

I was actually referring to men…

I also would like to see the data on how much more likely a famous/rich/powerful person is to be actually tried/prosecuted if they abused boys/men vs girls/women. It sure feels like it at least gets way more publicity when it’s boys/men as victims.

I mean… I can think of a few classes and groups that have the vast lion’s share, but I’m not here to get banned.

Yeah the episode exists, it’s linked in the debunk article by Reuters. He talks about running, does not say anything like the quote, that has been debunked many times.

So if you find it let us know. I’m sufficiently convinced he did not say that (in a recording)

Yes, thank you!

Forgive me, is it a known fact that Universal Monk and Socialist Morman Satanist are the same person, or am I misunderstanding something?

I’m quite certain what you need to do is get every one else voting. That’s kind of how the whole thing is supposed to work.