As a corollary, go to college for something commercially viable. If your degree is in medieval Estonian poetry, you are going to have a hard time getting a job with that that pays off the debt. Recent history aside, there were very few people who went into things like electrical engineering or medical science that could not find employment.
The global economy has terrible, antisocial priorities as far as humanity goes.
You say that as if humanity is better off having more MBAs and accountants maximizing productivity and economic metasisis, that thing that is ending the temperate, predictable global climate we once enjoyed, and less artists, historians, anthropologists, sociologists, philosophers, and teachers, the professions that propagate what makes life worth living at all, learning and experiencing, and passing down those lessons and experiences to others. Without that, we should just go extinct, there’s no point to us without valuing that.
Those with your mindset of, “well, are they dedicating their life to increasinging GDP?” are winning to be sure, and it’s making a terrible, desperate, disaffected world few want to bring children into because they know how horrible it is, cold and greed worshipping, a hell of Neverending competition.
Congratulations.
Meanwhile, nepos of people destroying their own species for private profit can and do get degrees in the humanities you describe, to sit on “charity” boards drawing six figure+ salaries due to their nepo connections and those like you have nothing to say about them getting a degree in culture they care about because their parents cut down a rainforest, strip mined nature, fracked mountains, or murdered customers in a healthcare con.
Those with your mindset of, “well, are they dedicating their life to increasinging GDP?” are winning to be sure, and it’s making a terrible, desperate, disaffected world few want to bring children into because they know how horrible it is, cold and greed worshipping, a hell of Neverending competition.
Whoa whoa whoa, I’m not arguing that the world is better off if people avoid the social sciences… actually, I think if we as a society prioritized that more, we’d be better off overall. I’m just saying purely from the standpoint of if one looks at college as an investment in one’s own career/employ-ability then you are better off in a more rigorous and conventional field.
Discouraging or hindsighting people either before or after college for choosing a prosocial degree is contributing to shifting the culture against the humanities.
We should actively discourage people from getting degrees on the basis of “well how much will I get paid?” Look at the world, people who choose that path almost always become the worst people society has to offer, selfish, individualistic opportunists. College should be a last gasp attempt to dissuade as many as possible from seeking capital as it’s own end and not social contribution in an area of passion. Every MBA and modern “start from unregulated capitalism is perfect and defend from there” economist is a defeat for humanity. Those that make a vocation out of trying to quantify and extract maximum value from other people as the entire point. It’s perverse they are the most rewarded in society by education. And it largely isn’t pushed for their individual interests, but for expectations of economic growth, something we have to abandon fucking decades ago if we want a future for our species at all.
That is so out of touch that I feel like I am having a stroke.
There is a lot of qualified people with “commercially viable” degrees that can’t find a job, or the job they find pay like shit.
Companies want over qualified people for shit pay, and they want you to go through 5 interviews because that’s what the cool companies do, and get offended when their ridiculous offer gets rightly rejected.
They aren’t trying to “be like the cool companies”, they want their labor markets to feel saturated and laborers desperate for work so they accept lower pay.
There is a lot of qualified people with “commercially viable” degrees that can’t find a job, or the job they find pay like shit.
Sure, but the point is, however bad this problem is for the more ‘viable’ degrees, it’s 50x worse for the social sciences, arts, etc. I have a belief EVENTUALLY the job market will turn around for engineers, but I do not ever think it will turn around for history majors.
There is an ebb and flow to the employment market. If you are lucky enough to have walked this wonderful planet for decades, you will have survived through a few of these all ready. All this will pass. I am confident in saying over the time of a lifespan an engineering degree will make more money than it costs. I do not think that is a controversial take, but you can feel differently.
As a corollary, go to college for something commercially viable. If your degree is in medieval Estonian poetry, you are going to have a hard time getting a job with that that pays off the debt. Recent history aside, there were very few people who went into things like electrical engineering or medical science that could not find employment.
The global economy has terrible, antisocial priorities as far as humanity goes.
You say that as if humanity is better off having more MBAs and accountants maximizing productivity and economic metasisis, that thing that is ending the temperate, predictable global climate we once enjoyed, and less artists, historians, anthropologists, sociologists, philosophers, and teachers, the professions that propagate what makes life worth living at all, learning and experiencing, and passing down those lessons and experiences to others. Without that, we should just go extinct, there’s no point to us without valuing that.
Those with your mindset of, “well, are they dedicating their life to increasinging GDP?” are winning to be sure, and it’s making a terrible, desperate, disaffected world few want to bring children into because they know how horrible it is, cold and greed worshipping, a hell of Neverending competition.
Congratulations.
Meanwhile, nepos of people destroying their own species for private profit can and do get degrees in the humanities you describe, to sit on “charity” boards drawing six figure+ salaries due to their nepo connections and those like you have nothing to say about them getting a degree in culture they care about because their parents cut down a rainforest, strip mined nature, fracked mountains, or murdered customers in a healthcare con.
Whoa whoa whoa, I’m not arguing that the world is better off if people avoid the social sciences… actually, I think if we as a society prioritized that more, we’d be better off overall. I’m just saying purely from the standpoint of if one looks at college as an investment in one’s own career/employ-ability then you are better off in a more rigorous and conventional field.
I am not saying the humanities has no value.
Discouraging or hindsighting people either before or after college for choosing a prosocial degree is contributing to shifting the culture against the humanities.
We should actively discourage people from getting degrees on the basis of “well how much will I get paid?” Look at the world, people who choose that path almost always become the worst people society has to offer, selfish, individualistic opportunists. College should be a last gasp attempt to dissuade as many as possible from seeking capital as it’s own end and not social contribution in an area of passion. Every MBA and modern “start from unregulated capitalism is perfect and defend from there” economist is a defeat for humanity. Those that make a vocation out of trying to quantify and extract maximum value from other people as the entire point. It’s perverse they are the most rewarded in society by education. And it largely isn’t pushed for their individual interests, but for expectations of economic growth, something we have to abandon fucking decades ago if we want a future for our species at all.
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That is so out of touch that I feel like I am having a stroke.
There is a lot of qualified people with “commercially viable” degrees that can’t find a job, or the job they find pay like shit.
Companies want over qualified people for shit pay, and they want you to go through 5 interviews because that’s what the cool companies do, and get offended when their ridiculous offer gets rightly rejected.
They aren’t trying to “be like the cool companies”, they want their labor markets to feel saturated and laborers desperate for work so they accept lower pay.
Sure, but the point is, however bad this problem is for the more ‘viable’ degrees, it’s 50x worse for the social sciences, arts, etc. I have a belief EVENTUALLY the job market will turn around for engineers, but I do not ever think it will turn around for history majors.
That was good advice 40 years ago. Now your costly degree will just exclude you from service jobs and mean nothing in the field you studied.
If you want to get into a trade, find someone to apprentice with. Your degree will get you an unpaid internship at best.
This is great advice.
Man this would be great advice if I could just stop taking part in recent history
There is an ebb and flow to the employment market. If you are lucky enough to have walked this wonderful planet for decades, you will have survived through a few of these all ready. All this will pass. I am confident in saying over the time of a lifespan an engineering degree will make more money than it costs. I do not think that is a controversial take, but you can feel differently.