Irrespective of whether October 7th deliberately targeted civilians or not, that’s only true if you take the IDF’s numbers as is, which is… questionable. AFAIK 70% of casualties are women and children.
Hamas’s numbers are at a 68% civilian casualty ratio, which is similar to the range generally accepted for the Israeli civilian casualty ratio, which is estimated from 60%-80%.
Israeli claims are a 50% civilian casualty ratio, which is not regarded as realistic.
And the IDF killed their own citizens during the attack so it’s not just Hamas’s casualty ratio (though Hamas did likely inflict most of them).
And I’m sure that Hamas has inflicted some of the current casualties in Gaza, but it’s not likely to be a large enough percentage to be notable.
Hamas’s numbers are at a 68% civilian casualty ratio,
Hamas’s numbers? Where are those?
And I’m sure that Hamas has inflicted some of the current casualties in Gaza, but it’s not likely to be a large enough percentage to be notable.
It’s different in the case of October 7th because we know a significant number of Israeli civilian casualties was inflicted by IDF shelling or reckless fire. For example, they had orders to prevent Hamas soldiers from retreating even if they had hostages (which they did by shelling Hamas with the hostages).
It’s different in the case of October 7th because we know a significant number of Israeli civilian casualties was inflicted by IDF shelling or reckless fire.
Oh, we do know that, do we? Do you have any actual numbers to back this claim up?
Oh I thought you meant Hamas released their casualty numbers. I’ll just say that when you see “Israeli casualty ratio” most people will think “casualty ratio in October 7th”, not “ratio of casualties inflicted by Israel”, and same for “Hamas casualty ratio”.
Oh, we do know that, do we? Do you have any actual numbers to back this claim up?
So while there are no concrete numbers (I think those are lost to time at this point), we do know it happened in a significant capacity.
https://kbin.social/m/worldnews@lemmy.ml/t/759856/Israel-s-IDF-ordered-to-prevent-Hamas-from-returning-to-Gaza
(contains the Hebrew article and a translation in the comments).
Hamas’s numbers are at a 68% civilian casualty ratio, which is similar to the range generally accepted for the Israeli civilian casualty ratio, which is estimated from 60%-80%.
Israeli claims are a 50% civilian casualty ratio, which is not regarded as realistic.
And I’m sure that Hamas has inflicted some of the current casualties in Gaza, but it’s not likely to be a large enough percentage to be notable.
Hamas’s numbers? Where are those?
It’s different in the case of October 7th because we know a significant number of Israeli civilian casualties was inflicted by IDF shelling or reckless fire. For example, they had orders to prevent Hamas soldiers from retreating even if they had hostages (which they did by shelling Hamas with the hostages).
Current Israeli numbers of Hamas’s attack by social security data.
Oh, we do know that, do we? Do you have any actual numbers to back this claim up?
Oh I thought you meant Hamas released their casualty numbers. I’ll just say that when you see “Israeli casualty ratio” most people will think “casualty ratio in October 7th”, not “ratio of casualties inflicted by Israel”, and same for “Hamas casualty ratio”.
So while there are no concrete numbers (I think those are lost to time at this point), we do know it happened in a significant capacity.
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/a-growing-number-of-reports-indicate-israeli-forces-responsible-for-israeli-civilian-and-military-deaths-following-october-7-attack/ (source is for some reason rated badly on MBFC, but I think that’s more of MBFC’s bias, and either way all claims are separately sourced).
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/another-israeli-witness-confirms-israeli-tanks-killed-own-citizens-on-oct-7/3079514
https://kbin.social/m/worldnews@lemmy.ml/t/759856/Israel-s-IDF-ordered-to-prevent-Hamas-from-returning-to-Gaza
(contains the Hebrew article and a translation in the comments).