i can’t even guess as to why they went quiet. not one guess at all. we will never know.
edit: well they’re not quiet now once they get called out
i can’t even guess as to why they went quiet. not one guess at all. we will never know.
edit: well they’re not quiet now once they get called out
I understand what you’re saying and I don’t disagree. She didn’t speak to the working class as effectively. I’m familiar with this analysis and I find it to be true. Trump was able to hit a nerve with the economic woes that most Americans are feeling. I get it. But between 2020 and 24 Trump lost almost no voters despite how despicable and lacking in policy he was. He’s charismatic and was able to touch on the fear and anxiety brewing in the working class. I get it. You’re not telling me anything I haven’t heard or disagree with. Kamala’s campaign was weak sauce. I agree.
My point of contention that while there are some voices of disagreement among republicans, those individuals get excised immediately from the party. Trump loses nothing in terms of electability. His base has enough support that it will alway showup to vote. Every time.
The left is a big tent party and almost none of the left media apparatus got united with the messaging in supporting the DNC candidate —regardless of where she stood center left or left of center. Until we resolve not having this unified front, we can have the most charming left progressive candidate but it won’t matter.
You can talk about complexity and loopholes as means of exploiting complacency, but remember: we are standing on a century of progress and hard work. There is still a lot of work to be done, but it’s very privileged of us to make statements like those and discount all the years of activism and hard work that brought us to where we are. Are things good now? Far from it. But that’s because we still have a long way to go. People who keep bringing up the ratchet meme to show us how the rich are exploiting us have just blanched out a hundred years of history and progress and thrown it in the bin. You’re also about to find out how that hundred years gets reversed faster than you’ve ever seen.
Your point of contention is using me as a blame tool for the dread you feel. It’s why you keep insisting that I will see the destruction of hard earned rights.
I am the nail sticking up that you feel you can hammer down to feel better about the truth that it’s millions and not about me.
You act as if I don’t know some truth that you know, that if you could get through to me everything would be different or maybe just so that you feel better about someone “learning their lesson” for daring to suggest better from people who don’t care much about trying their hardest at all.
Then be upset at the candidates and the DNC. I am nothing more than a straw man you hope to defeat with logic that doesn’t matter or work.
My disagreement doesn’t make the DNC better and fixing me won’t make them win.
You have no idea what would happen with running a better candidate because it hasn’t been done. It’s speculation at best. And asking everyone to get behind someone they don’t want is what gets us here. They won’t. People will get behind what they want because they wanted Trump, who while yes is a moron comes up with the morons equivalent of solutions which sound good to people who just want an answer and to not think about it.
Your argument will lose because it does. Every time. Shoulda woulda and coulda don’t matter. Stop trying to make everyone else change to match you. Try something new. Demand something new. And stop thinking that because someone said something negative about a bad candidate they lost because people criticize each other all the time and move on. She could have changed policy just like you can let this idea go that pointing out the policies that people didn’t like made them not like them.
But she didn’t and you won’t. Stubborn is the human mind and I’m don’t beating my head against yours while you search for something to make you feel better. It just tires me out for your state of mind is not my responsibility.
Oh man. You took what I wrote very personally. I’m not sure where the disconnect is happening. I didnt accuse you of anything. In fact I agree with a lot of what you wrote. I even granted most of it. I’m just talking about messaging on the left. That’s all. I don’t understand how you can carry so much resentment in one post after I already granted a lot of what you wrote. It’s so bizarre to me. Also the endless condescension and analogies to spoon feeding. If you’re so angry that you can’t understand what others are writing then maybe it’s time to log off for a bit? Peace.
I already said my patience was wearing out and you insist on using direct language to imply I’m about to discover some horrible secret as if I don’t know. You insisted on repeating that I will find out how fast rights can be lost while leaving yourself out of the concept each time. No inclusive language just directed at me each time.
It is not always on others to take things better when you are at the base of the negativity.
Your grants mean nothing and your inability to understand the emotional truth of others is the point that I believe you don’t get.
Please consider how you are an important actor in this conversation and have been since the beginning when you were told are wrong. You “agreeing” and then going against your own logic to hold onto your own ideas is your own issue.
If everyone else keeps telling you something about you not getting it, maybe stop blaming others.
If you want to see where the disconnect is happening look at your own responses where you say “I disagree” because you want to.
Maybe don’t treat others like emotionless chat bots for your own self reassurance and work on comprehension yourself.
Bye.
Lots of feelings there. Sorry pal. I hope you find a better place to be. We’re talking past each other. Just because someone says they disagree on a topic doesn’t mean it’s a personal attack on you. You have to find a way to make discourse with those of different opinions without making everything so personal.
You don’t listen to others. You are talking past. I’m not even taking it as a personal attack just pointing out you are failing to converse.
You need to figure out how to talk to people instead of trying to prove you are already right about everything.
Also, what does this even mean :
All I said is I agree with some aspects and disagree with other aspects of your argument. What are you talking about???!!
You’re writing walls of text with very supercharged language. Something about this conversation is very triggering for you. You’ve also made it a point to downvote every one of my comments. Cool.
Could you summarize my position in one sentence so you can demonstrate you understand what I’m saying?
No just the comments where you stopped participating in an active conversation.
That’s the point of the downvote. Doesn’t add to the conversation and down vote it.
Your position subtly changes to whatever you think is right at the moment. I think you truly are a self indulgent individual who thinks themself infallible while not thinking critically but demanding it of others.
The text is charged because you continue to ignore your own input into creating this conversation and how your own statements have been condescending. You literally ended each comment saying how “I” would soon learn how fast rights could be taken away. A statement I have repeatedly pointed out that you somehow continue to ignore to ask why you are being taken poorly.
You started with just saying you didn’t agree cause you didn’t want to. And have put all effort in this on me and can’t understand why this makes for bad conversation? Do you ever actually talk to people or talk past them cause you think you are above them? Cause you put all the conversation on me dispel while repeating yourself ad nauseam.
Jeesus christ. Your walls of text and runon sentences make it very hard to follow what you are writing.
Close but no. There is no discourse happening here and a lot of projection going on from your part. It’s very hard to have a convo when one side makes one point and the other writes a wall of text essay while also calling the other names and insults non stop. I hope you find peace and hapiness wherever you are.
Cheers