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    30 days ago

    Turns out its not hard to hide the source of money, and politicians need money to run campaigns. The democrats and republicans both have their fair share of illicit donations, that’s entirely legal in America. I don’t really see your point? They all shouldn’t do it.

    Also, you seem to think the only third party is the green party, which is interesting.

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      Russia has made no secret of wanting to install Trump in the white hose. They’re paying Shill Stein to spoil the election for the democrats.

      What more do you need? I’m specifically talking about The Green Party.

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        Russia spends money on more than just the presidential race. They and their oligarchs donate to both democrats and republicans from local to federal elections.

        Israel does the same thing as well, they donate to whoever is pro-Israel, and campaign against anyone anti-Israel.

        So again, why is that a problem for the Green party but not the democrats or republicans?

        If Americans don’t want foreigners to affect their election, don’t make it legal to do so then.

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          I’ve yet to see any evidence to support the accusation that democrats are taking Russian money. Democrats also aren’t also using Trump’s lawyers in defense of accusatory cases against them.

          This whatabotism of yours is disruptive to the topic. I’m staying within the wheelhouse of the discussion. You, are not.

          If you want to discuss the corruption of ALL political parties, start a new post on it. But I’m not about entertaining people that wish to derail the conversation with bOtH siDeS rhetoric.

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            Okay well prove me wrong, wheres all the evidence that the green party is taking Russian money. All i’ve seen anyone post is a picture of the presidential nominee at a table with Putin. Is there anything else?

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              There’s a lot more going on than just Shill Stein taking their money.

              https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/30/politics/jill-stein-russia-documents-senate-request/index.html

              https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696

              She’s being supported by pro-Stein Russian social media in attempts to help Trump:

              https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna951166

              And is praised by Trump for dividing the vote.

              https://x.com/Acyn/status/1804659187923996688

              Now, be sure to go ahead and attack all these sources before you even read anti of what they say… because we all know it stands in open defiance of your cognitive dissonance.

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                Don’t worry, I read all of them. Why don’t you quote out the evidence that Jill Stein is working for the Russians for me big guy, since I saw no evidence.

                Your first URL even seems to agree there is no evidence, so thank you for that: "Stein has not been accused of wrongdoing or colluding with the Russians. But her political views often align with the Kremlin and mirror talking points heard on Russian state TV: She claims the American political system is rigged, opposes the notion of American exceptionalism, is a vocal critic of US military operations overseas and downplays the impact of Russian meddling in the 2016 election. "

                The two from NBC have no evidence that the Green party worked with Russia on anything. They talk about how Russia thought it useful to promote her to minority groups, so did similar propaganda as they did for Trump.

                The trump quote, I am not sure what that’s supposed to prove. Trump agreeing with you might not be the own you think it is. For me personally, I have no idea what Trump actually believes. I don’t know if he was just grandstanding, waving his dick around, or if he actually believes what hes saying. I don’t think that qualifies as evidence.

                You know what is funny though, you using similar catch phrases to Trump. Is Shill Stein supposed to be clever? Does it help you remember shes the one you don’t like cause shes a shill?

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                  Yeah. It’s safe to say I don’t like Shills. And here ya go. If you can read that and not deduce that she’s taking Russian money to continue her shit-tier campaign, I don’t know what to tell ya.

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                    You don’t have to be Russian to agree with this statement: “‘the need to rein in American exceptionalism’ and replace ‘a U.S. policy based on domination’”

                    Your article lays out evidence for why Jill Stein is a useful idiot for Russia. Not a single bit about Jill Stein doing anything wrong.

                    The rest of the article assaults her character, which I wont defend. I don’t mind people who disagree with her positions, I mind when people throw shit instead of reason. I am still waiting for anything that shows she pursued Russias help with her elections. Whether she went to that event or not, Russia would have boosted her, which makes your point irrelevant.

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          If Americans the global south don’t want foreigners Americans to affect their election, don’t make it legal to do so then.

          Does it help you see how idiotic and backwards you’re being if I switch out a few nouns in your statement?

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            Other countries have not made it legal for outside nations to lobby in their countries. That’s an American thing.

            What is your point again? You can turn my statement into an ad lib and call me stupid?